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Jim Lafferty

For your info:

James Lafferty is executive director of the National Lawyers Guild of Los Angeles, a human-rights bar association, and host of The Lawyers Guild, a weekly public affairs program on KPFK-FM. He has served as a national leader of various anti-war coalitions, including the National Peace Action Coalition, the anti-Vietnam War coalition that organized the largest protests during that war; the National Coalition for Peace in the Middle East; and the National Campaign to End U.S. Intervention in the Philippines. In the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, his law firm— Lafferty, Reosti, Jabara, Papakhian & Smith—represented virtually all of the left political movements in and around Detroit, Michigan. In New York City, in the late ’80s and early ’90s, as associate director for the Center for Seafarer’s Rights, he organized on behalf of the rights of merchant seafarers and also taught a course at the New School for Social Research entitled “Vietnam: The War at Home and Abroad.”He serves on the steering committee of the anti-war coalition International A.N.S.W.E.R./L.A.

Jim Lafferty has been around a long time and is well known in the Los Angeles Progressive commuity.  I have never heard Jim Lafferty advocate violence.  You can listen to him every Thursday night on KPFK.  You might want to call him and talk to him personally before you blog about him advocating violence!

Co-sign ESLteacher

I am one of the many non-lawyer folks trained by Lafferty in legal observing. In his workshops he emphasizes peaceful confrontation and nonviolence, providing many specific guidelines on how to keep your cool and do the job when the line gets hot.

During the neo-Nazi rally at City Hall last summer, Lafferty was the main reason that action did not explode when tensions were at the highest. He was talking the counter-protesters down, he was talking the cops down, he was right on the front lines negotiating and making sure rights were respected and there was no  resort to mass violence.

So, whatever uber-violent Lafferty that Basko is talking about? That guy must live on pre-Crisis Earth-2. 'Cuz he ain't here in this reality.

prayn4peace's picture

Jim Lafferty

James Lafferty is also the Board President of the Office of the Americas, another important peace and justice organization out of Los Angeles that never has, nor ever will, advocate violence. 

Jim Lafferty is very active in the peace and justice community here in LA; I agree with the other commenters before me that you should really post about what you know.  You obviously don't know Jim.

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Lafferty does not appear to be licensed as a lawyer in CA

James Lafferty does not appear to be licensed as a lawyer in California.  Unless he is, he is not supposed to be giving legal advice or information or assistance to anyone.

That is the topic.  Sean posted on here that Jim Lafferty gave him legal advice saying it is okay to protest on a freeway overpass.  I wondered why any lawyer would give such strange advice and looked up and saw he is not licensed as a lawyer in California -- not that I can tell anyway.   

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and by the way

And by the way -- I never said anything about Jim Lafferty's involvement with violence other than that his bios have him involved with at least one organization that is for violent revolution.  I simply said he does not appear to be licensed as a lawyer in the State of California, and if that is the case, he is not legal to provide legal advice or info to anyone. 

I am asking a question not making a statement.  He does not appear to be licensed as a lawyer in California.  AND I am asking if he is???

Sue, you're digging yourself

Sue, you're digging yourself into a hole here. Clearly, James Lafferty has credentials a mile long as a lawyer and a progressive, in LA and across the country. Your recent implication that he and ANSWER advocate violence is utterly irresponsible, and your  incessant plugs for your blogs and your legal credentials are tiresome. It's time for to back off now. 

Rancho Larry's picture

Sure Did you Google the guy?

I didFrom USC web site

James Lafferty is executive director of the National Lawyers Guild of Los Angeles, a human-rights bar association, and host of The Lawyers Guild, a weekly public affairs program on KPFK-FM. He has served as a national leader of various anti-war coalitions, including the National Peace Action Coalition, the anti-Vietnam War coalition that organized the largest protests during that war; the National Coalition for Peace in the Middle East; and the National Campaign to End U.S. Intervention in the Philippines. In the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, his law firm— Lafferty, Reosti, Jabara, Papakhian & Smith—represented virtually all of the left political movements in and around Detroit, Michigan. In New York City, in the late ’80s and early ’90s, as associate director for the Center for Seafarer’s Rights, he organized on behalf of the rights of merchant seafarers and also taught a course at the New School for Social Research entitled “Vietnam: The War at Home and Abroad.”He serves on the steering committee of the anti-war coalition International A.N.S.W.E.R./L.A. Video description National Lawyers Guild. "When will the Palestinian and Lebanese people be able to say 'never again'." Rally in support of the people of Lebanon and Palestine, Los Angeles, August 12 2006. ANSWERLA.Click for Video of him here

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Sure Did you Google the guy?

I did

From USC web site

James Lafferty is executive director of the National Lawyers Guild of Los Angeles, a human-rights bar association, and host of The Lawyers Guild, a weekly public affairs program on KPFK-FM. He has served as a national leader of various anti-war coalitions, including the National Peace Action Coalition, the anti-Vietnam War coalition that organized the largest protests during that war; the National Coalition for Peace in the Middle East; and the National Campaign to End U.S. Intervention in the Philippines. In the ’60s, ’70s, and ’80s, his law firm— Lafferty, Reosti, Jabara, Papakhian & Smith—represented virtually all of the left political movements in and around Detroit, Michigan. In New York City, in the late ’80s and early ’90s, as associate director for the Center for Seafarer’s Rights, he organized on behalf of the rights of merchant seafarers and also taught a course at the New School for Social Research entitled “Vietnam: The War at Home and Abroad.”He serves on the steering committee of the anti-war coalition International A.N.S.W.E.R./L.A. Video description National Lawyers Guild. "When will the Palestinian and Lebanese people be able to say 'never again'." Rally in support of the people of Lebanon and Palestine, Los Angeles, August 12 2006. ANSWERLA.

Click for Video of him here

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Journalist's opinion of ANSWER (from Wiki but w/ valid cite

Journalist Michelle Goldberg writes that "One of the curses of left-wing politics is the perennial presence of International ANSWER, a front group for the StalinistWorkers World Party, a tiny political sect with a perverse attraction to the world’s worst people. The party formed in the 1950s, after splitting off from the Socialist Workers Party over a disagreement about the Soviet invasion of Hungary, which the Workers World supported. Since then, the Workers World Party has thrown itself behind Slobodan MilosevicSaddam Hussein, and Kim Jong-il; it backed the Chinese crackdown on the “counter-revolutionary rebellion” in Tiananmen Square.[15]

If indeed this James Lafferty

If indeed this James Lafferty is associated with ANSWER, he is part of the 1%'s controlled opposition. The Workers World Party was founded by Sam Marcy, who was born in Russia of Jewish parents. He emigrated to the United States in his childhood. In the 1930's, he joined the Young Communist League, the youth movement of the Communist Party.

The ANSWER group is pro-open-door immigration, multi-culturalism, etc., probably closely linked to 'Antifa' groups who are indeed violent, and represent the Marxist multicultural 'PC' ideals which are in opposition to genuine free speech, association etc. ideals--under false pretences of opposing so-called 'racism' etc. That's always been the Communist modus operandi. This is and has been the program of the 1% who create dialectical-clashes and create conflict in societies with traditional values (since usurped). The 'antisemitism' is a false pretense.

The programme goes back to 1925 at the least with a book published by an elititest (the 1%) Count Richard Nicolaus Coudenhove Kalergi. See here for his background and proposals in book form (he was not anti-communist): http://balder.org/judea/Richard-Coudenhove-Kalergi-Practical-Idealism-Vienna-1925.php

  

Raffery and Communist Partner Abdeen Jabara

I think OccupyLA and others should be aware of the kinds of people who will associate themselve with it in professional capacities. Lafferty's long time partner Abdeen Jabara has a long record of Marxist-Socialist/Communist credentials. As the wiki (link below) states: "Jabara represented a strange convergence of a pro-Arab, anti-Israel activist who worked hand-in-hand with the communists, especially the Trotskyite Socialist Workers Party".

I will bet you the other 'partners' are also of this ilk. While they have some righteous greivances and have done some good work, it should behoove people to know the ideological nature behind such personalities in the Communist-front--The National Lawyers Guild.

Never EVER has a socialist or Communist educated the people or attacked the pivotal cause of societal upheaval with the founders of the fraudulent monetary-bankster scams, such as is embodied in the Federal Reserve and other International Financial bodies. Nor do they dare expose who financed and composed the Marxist Revolutionary forces since before the days of the Bolshevik Revolution.

http://keywiki.org/index.php/Abdeen_Jabara

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Question is: IS he a lawyer?

Sean - You and I have spoken via email at great length, right?  you are the same Sean who was emailing me all night about this -- right?  You told me you have heard Mr. Lafferty on the radio,  not that you "know" him.

I have no particular knowledge of Mr. Lafferty other than what I have looked up.  I never heard of him until 2 days ago.     My question is: IS HE A LAWYER?  And from what i can gather, it looks as if he is not at this time a lawyer.  I could be mistaken and he should be asked.   To me, the records appear as if he intentionally let his license go.  He may very well be a "good guy," but if he is not a lawyer, he is not allowed to give legal advice or information or to represent anyone or to claim to have volunteer or other  lawyers working for him.  Again -- i am asking - Do you know? Is he a licensed lawyer?

   This was my post on the other thread on this topic in response to a writer called Mary Rose :

Mary Rose, I have known of ANSWER since before their first protest many years ago.  At first, I did not understand their context, either, until a man very experienced in decades of protest explained what they were about.    They are a conglomerate of many groups.    Some of the groups DO practice or believe in violent revolution to overthrow a government.  If you saw this video from Occupy LA from CBS, this man was said to be from ANSWER - he is talking about Gandhi being a "tumor" and calling for violent bloody revolution in the US and urging that of the Occupy LA protesters. I do not know who this man is but I have seen him before associated with ANSWER as I have also seen other such speakers associated with ANSWER - many times. http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/10/12/occupy-la-speaker-calls-ghandi...

ALSO, there is a journalist cited on WIkipedia and the cite seems to be solid.  What she wrote mirrors my own observations over the years very clearly.  It says: Journalist Michelle Goldberg writes that "One of the curses of left-wing politics is the perennial presence of International ANSWER, a front group for the StalinistWorkers World Party, a tiny political sect with a perverse attraction to the world’s worst people. The party formed in the 1950s, after splitting off from the Socialist Workers Party over a disagreement about the Soviet invasion of Hungary, which the Workers World supported. Since then, the Workers World Party has thrown itself behind Slobodan MilosevicSaddam Hussein, and Kim Jong-il; it backed the Chinese crackdown on the “counter-revolutionary rebellion” in Tiananmen Square[15]

Also, ANSWER is known to be anti-Semitic, as this quote from Wiki explains: The Anti-Defamation League has accused ANSWER of supporting terrorist organizations, such as Hezbollah and Hamas.[16] According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency "Several anti-war protests in San Francisco organized by the ANSWER Coalition (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) featured imagery and slogans some considered anti-Semitic, including the burning of the Israeli flag, chants of support for terrorist groups like Hezbollah and Nazi-like arm salutes."[17]   Similarly, the Stephen Roth Institute has noted "Anti-Israel and antisemitic content has marked some ANSWER events."[18]

This also mirrors my observations over the years, as well as what has been observed at Occupy LA -- anti-Semitic content, anti-Semitic signs, and a woman who I have seen on video of several Occupy LA events then giving a talk that was taped by a news station.

I very strongly disagree with any form of terrorism, violent revolution, violence, racism, or anti-Semitism.  Therefore, I do not keep company with such groups as ANSWER and consider them repugnant.   

I have no particular knowledge of James Lafferty.  I simply read his bio online and it states he is on the board of ANSWER.  I am also aware that a former director/ lawyer of the National Lawyers Guild, Lynn Stewart, was convicted of aiding terrorism by sending messages from a terrorist to a group telling them to kill people.  A good, detailed article on this is here: http://reason.com/archives/2004/06/01/criminal-representation/singlepage

I also then looked him up and cannot find him listed as a licensed lawyer in California.  To me, it appears that he is not.  From the records, it looks as if he intentionally let his license go.  I do not know and only he can explain such things.  In California, a lawyer must be licensed to practice law, which includes giving legal advice or information.    

I come under fire by those supporting violence or supporting violent groups because I am ONLY FOR PEACEFUL PROTEST and denounce all forms of terrorism or violence.  Many people interested in the Occupy protests by who also are interested only in peaceful protest have made use of the information I provide on peaceful protest.   I make this information available to all for free, easy to read and easy to see.

 I believe VERY strongly in Occupy LA being peaceful.   This has been met with certain types  of people seeking to discredit me and /or discredit those thousands of people who take information from me.  

The entire issue came up because I think it is illegal and dangerous to protest on a freeway overpass.  I think this causes driver distraction and that a moment of distraction can lead to injury or death on the highway.  I respect life and so I think this is not only illegal and dangerous, but also immoral.

Sue Basko, Lawyer

 Occupy LA - LEGAL INFO   

Why is this happening?

I don't know what's sparked this. I do know that the 'guilt by association' that I'm seeing here is highly suspect. I called Jim, he called me back in about 2 hours. If anyone has any concerns about him I'd advise you to call him and ask him directly. These posts are unfair, you're accusing him and he isn't here to respond. Just call him if you have something to say.

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Thank you, Sean!

Thank you, Sean!  I just posted and then saw that you recommended the same thing!  This is absolutely ridiculous for Sue Basko to be criticizing a very good, humane and active part of our community in this way.  I'd love to know what Sue Basko has done for human rights or peace and justice issues.  You certainly can't tell from her website! 

prayn4peace's picture

So, call him!

This is ridiculous; Jim (and yes, I do know him) is the Executive Director of the National Lawyers Guild in Los Angeles.  His credentials are impeccable and he's a well-known non-violent activist for peace and social justice.

If you have a question about his legal status, why don't you call the National Lawyers Guild office and address him personally?  He works incessantly for human rights and justice issues and you really should have picked up the phone or sent an e-mail to him yourself instead of dragging him into a discussion like this.

As for ANSWER, if you've ever been to an anti-war, peace or justice demonstration in LA, you've probably been to an ANSWER event.  Doesn't mean you're a Socialist, Communist, Capitalist, or Any "IST"!  It simply means you're against war and injustice. 

As for Sue Basko herself, she may be an attorney but when it comes to the Occupation Movement I really think she's a troll.

 

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Sue Basko = suspended attorney (2008); Jim Lafferty not lawyer.

Checked the state bar's website.  Sue Basko went to some b.s. no name law school and was suspended in 2008.

It is well known that Jim Lafferty is not a licensed attorney (in California or elsewhere).  He should not be giving anyone legal advice.

Neither should Sue.  She's just an LAPD tool and a wanne be 1%er.  Never saw her in any activist causes anywhere in LA (or elsewhere) before these b.s. blogs.

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Lafferty Deserves our Thanks, Not more Criticism

I don't even see Sue Basko listed on the state bar site, but her website speaks volumes.  I don't think the fact that Jim is no longer practicing disqualifies a Loyola Law School attorney from giving legal advice, especially when he's the Executive Director of the LA chapter of the National Lawyers Guild.  He's doing this work pro bono.  He should be commended for taking the time to help!

I am so grateful Sue's blog was taken down and a big thanks to Jim and all the work he does, and has been doing for years, for this community!

emwoccupyla's picture

You celebrate censorship?

Thought that there was openness, if someones blog was taken down without consent of the GA that is wrong. Is there free speach in this movement? Ms Basko has contributed to this site as a member of the 99% it is becomming more clear that there are idealoguse that are making decisions for the rest of us. Too bad it is contrary to the process that is supposed to govern OccupyLA.

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Sorry, but I don't think that

Sorry, but I don't think that taking down blogs that are based on personal attacks is censorship; I don't think this is the place for them, for hostility, nor for hate speech.  Period.

There will be division within any movement, different ideas expressed, and opinions spoken.  That's where listening and openness come in.  But no, there isn't room for hatred or attacks of the sort Ms Basko wants to perpetrate.  That isn't what this is about.  This blog should be about the issues and the events, not Ms. Basko's desire to be the sole "legal voice" for the movement.  Her credentials aren't there and Mr. Lafferty's are.

If the process that is supposed to "govern" OccupyLA includes denigrating people of Jim Lafferty's caliber, or hate speech of any kind, we're going to lose a lot of people.  All Ms. Basko had to do was call the National Lawyers Guild if she wanted to talk to Jim; as an attorney, I would have thought that would be a no-brainer for her.

Really the comments on here should have been disabled when the post was taken down.  This is a waste of time and as unproductive as her initial attack.

 

 

 

 

Sue Basko's picture

@Lisa V - PLEASE STOP POSTING LIES ABOUT ME

REGARDING LIES POSTED ABOVE BY "LISA V"

This site NEEDS a button to report abuse and lies so they can be removed.

First -- YES -- the LAPD has posted links to my blogs and YES the LAPD has tweeted links to my blogs asking people to read them.  I am not part of the LAPD. They are simply fans of my blog -- as are many people from all walks of life.  I am a lawyer involved in providing top-notch information to Occupy protesters in various locations, including many people at Occupy LA. I have many (many!) years of activism experience combined with being a lawyer.  If anyone has a question, they can email me directly through this form -- it goes right to me.  I have people contacting me each day.  I am happy to hear from you. 

My blogs can be found here: http://occupypeace.blogspot.com

 ALSO -- I have never had any discipline against me whatsoever as a lawyer.  That is utterly absurd.  ALSO -- I graduated magna cum laude from a very fine law school where I was able to combine my study of law with the study of film  and media, a flexibility unique to the school.  More importantly, I was able to pass the California bar exam very easily (the pass rate was 38% when I took it), which is a testament to how excellent of an education was offered at the school.   I had superb professors, and loved the place so much that i then went on to graduate school.  It was a great time and a great place! 

AS TO THE QUESTION SOMEONE POSTED ON HERE ABOUT PRACTICING LAW WITHOUT A LICENSE - NO, IT IS not allowed, it is illegal to do so.  And for good reason.   

 

emwoccupyla's picture

Susan Marie Basko - #230396

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/230396

Ms Basko is a licensed lawyer in California, click on the link and STFU.

BTW her code of conduct should be adopted for OLA if you ask me. I am no prude, have smoked weed since before many of you were born but when I come to OLA and have several people dealing various substances openly I find it hard to take things seriously if nobody is going to do anything and the attitude seems to be well they are part of the 99% so we cannot tell them what to do. I think if we are to check our egos at the curb so also should we check our drug use, keep a clear head so you can make informed thoughtful decisions.

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Code of Conduct was written by Marilyn at Occupy SFv/ LINK HERE

Thank you so much.   I appreciate it.   The Campground Code of Conduct was written by Marilyn of Occupy San Fernando Valley.  It is on their site so if someone wants to adopt it, it can be easily downloaded and used.  It is simple and clear. you can find the SFV CAMPGROUND CODE OF CONDUCT PLEDGE HERE: http://occupysanfernandovalley.webs.com/apps/blog/entries/show/9816089-c...

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What's this movement about anyway?

Do you really think that knowledge of the law, and advice about the same, should be strictly confined to professional lawyers only? That is not in the spirit of the 99%, it seems to me. The law, which applies to everyone (or should), is for everyone to use as well. This is not a Franz Kafka novel where the door to the law is permanently blocked by a hulking guard. And as for Lafferty's affiliations -- "good" guy, "bad" guy, Marxist, revolutionary -- who cares??? He has done a lot of good and has never hurt anybody as far as I can tell. If you start excluding people on political grounds, where does that stop? We have some Republicans and Ron Paul Libertarians in our midst, but we don't exclude them, we engage with them. Anything else divides the wonderful diversity of this movement. And make no mistake, the best outcome is for Occupy to be as big and embracing as possible. Our "missing" demand, which the media harps on so much, is obvious: less power to corps and banks, more power to the grassroots. And Lafferty, who seeks to bring knowledge of the law to the people, is part of that grassroots. I disagree with the sectarian Left on many things, but I agree with anyone who tries to democratize the often-hidden workings of law, technology, and democracy itself. You know, elitist Rightists, elitist Leftists, and eltist Centrists have one thing in common: they all express fear of the masses hearing "wrong," impure ideas, or being "poisoned" by incorrect thoughts. However, I trust the masses at Occupy L.A. to figure out for themselves when they're  hearing b***s*** . So if Lafferty ever really does say anything harmful or dangerous, people will figure it out for themselves, without any intermediaries preventing Lafferty from speaking. So i suggest you give brother Lafferty, and everyone else, a pass.

Be the change you want to see

Stop the Maligning and Competing NOW ! get moving .....

just read in comments that the woman who is continually promoting her own credentials, whatever they may or not be, has been de-blogged, finally ! there are those who want to USE OLA for their own promotional advantage and self-service and it has been clear from prior writings she is doing just that...but was 'allowed' to abuse the privilege of having a blog that comes up front on Home Page easily repeatedly. Blogs seem to have big priority to be seen/ read over Forums and other relevant discussions too….

it has not been discovered whatever it is that it takes to 'Get a Blog here on OLA' - which a select few have…but some of us cannot find out how to get a relevant one - not even as often we do contribute here either.

that Blasco is pretend-repeatedly 'asking' or rather accusing and with great hubris questioning someone else’s validity to be helping OLA, one who has been for a very long time devoted to helping monitor and assist in many demonstrations, movements, protests, gatherings on various topics...and has spoken coherently and intelligently on KPFK programs -- and has responded to individual questions when encountered anywhere...Jim Lafferty has and does still GIVE of what he knows and has..be it info and thoughtfulness and assistance.

That woman’s questioning here: ...."From the records, it looks as if he intentionally let his license go. I do not know and only he can explain such things. In California, a lawyer must be licensed to practice law, which includes giving legal advice or information. " .... is a technicality that has no relevance to OLA anyhow...as well clarified " by tclouie on Sat, 10/22/2011 - 8:53pm " above - clearly stated also. I agree.

Anyone with a professional license or certification may retire…. or let it go [ = not pay high fees but that does not erase one’s mind or knowledge = nothing changes when money is not paid to state to keep on t their official lists ]. They may not bill professionally to some business legally tho many continue or do so without their ever obtained licenses to show qualifications too.

Check out all the paralegals, life coaches, masseuses, etc. who have only their own image, charm, and some skills w/o certification- and only deterrence to earning money for services is they may not be able to bill insurance companies, which some even do ! They can get paid for services that maybe [may- be not standardized or examined by other experts] good or equal to those certified…at times…by any private person or even company/ business too.

anyhow, to not have papers AFTER having had them, w/o any malpractice or other public disclosures of bad practices made, is Not a sign of a bad practiced person, tho Sue may be making that implication w/o daring to say so openly.

Many retire after the system gets too difficult to wield, or due to age or disabilities, or when it is not worth the effort to stay licensed as “in ordinary' business practices”...which does not mean anything about WHAT THEY KNOW, WHAT HELP THEY CAN GIVE LEGITIMATELY, WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR LIVES of SERVICE…one can still know and do work that is not 'licensed' officially by the State, Fed or Govt anywhere, or even paid-for-lobbyst-prof'l-assns and Chamber of Commerce, et al.

So let's stop maligning a man many have been helped by, a man who is still dedicated to improving our social legal condition and someone who - if anyone meets him in person - will immediately Recognize this Jim Lafferty that is valuable, worthy, and with good intentions and lots of residual know-how too.

Maligning and demeaning by subtle pretend-questioning is harassment and makes OLA divisive, on purpose for their own selfish reasons...not for unity or progress or honestly wanting to know anything ! This should have been and could have stopped way earlier than allowing this to continue on so long and maliciously.

Can we stop this on line mis-use of OLA website ? and return to making positive changes so needed to change our culture, OUR govt, our businesses, and our people, lawyers included. Sharks there are many, and the few exceptions are just swimming around not eating up anyone - but are easily shot down by those who want to eat bigger and more. Sue. A shark. As noted in on line repeated self promotions and implied negative questioning - - instead of contacting the person being accused who can best answer her directly - be it Jim or anyone else she does like or want.

soooooooooo tired of this interfering none sense........
back to working for the Movement's moving ahead... onward…..let’s move …..change…..

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