What solidarity means to me regarding the occupation, and what I believe is the core goal.

Deborah DeStefano's picture

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We are being asked to say what 'solidarity' means to us.

Great question, because in my view, the word is tossed around a lot by many occupiers who do not seem to be acting in solidarity with their fellow human beings at occupy.

Right now, to me, solidarity is standing together for one main goal.

All other actions are but subsets of that goal.

I want the corporations and big money out of my government.

All the crimes against the people by the giant financial institutions must be accountable and to answer for their illegal actions against the people and to face charges.  Corporations want to be people?  FINE... let's see those 'people' in court.  Let's push to make lobbying, bribery, illegal.  

I think that most would agree that this is the bottom line, our base from which to work.

Here is what I have experienced from time to time:

Gossip... gossip, and more gossip.

Self-appointed authoritarian 'type' personalities putting themselves above others.  Being rude, condescending, and out of line.

During the GAs small break off groups are having a lot of fun making a disturbance and not participating in the GA.  This doesn't seem to bother anybody.   I find it rude and distracting.  I have been reprimanded for asking them to be quiet 'as if' they were there for a party and who was I to intrude.

You want new people to attend and to keep returning.  You WILL need solidarity and respect to accomplish this goal.  

A new person (and I like to remember not to assume that new people know the drill, so being patient and considerate is in order) spoke at the G.A..  This person got a verbal lashing from one of the regulars who I find to be extremely unfriendly to people outside his own little clique, where in fact... 'in solidarity'...  there are no cliques!!!  I would imagine this new person will never return.  The self proclaimed leader is quite obnoxious.

After have been raged at via gossip myself, these people not knowing what they were talking about having not been present at the incident, nor asking me what happened, charged at me with a video camera in my face telling me WHAT I CAN DO, HOW I CAN BEHAVE, WHAT DO I HAVE TO SAY FOR MYSELF...  WTF?  I don't have to answer to anyone for my personal behavior and choices.  I believe that is the type of behavior that mirrors the very thing we are protestiing.  I do understand that we are all products of this society, so that behavior still exists, unfortunately to take this cause seriously and to succeed we have to try to rise above this kind of petty behavior.  This is NOT solidarity.  

I will continue to be an individual.  Nobody will tell me what I can or cannot do, say, like, dislike, etc.  How childish is this?  

I gave it a rest and returned to the GA on Monday.  S.O.S.  

Not mentioning names, but the arrogance of many people there, clearly in competition for 'who knows the most' or 'who has the best idea' or even 'who meets some hidden challenge to be able to actually feel a part of THE ACTUAL CAUSE!  

I am seriously diappointed at the turn this has taken.  I don't care about anyone's political choices.  This is not an arena to preach personal politics.  I'm sick of hearing it.  We all have the same goal in America, to get our freedoms restored and remove the backroom 1% (give or take) from our government.

This same fight has been repeated over and over again in this country.  The only circumstances that differ are the severity of the problem, and now the technology that can actually destroy not only the planet, but groups of particular people who have been targeted.

My opinion once again, it's fine for people to want to be vegans, spiritual, religious, not religious, but none of these things have to do with our broken government. 

I don't believe you can turn it into something else unless first you fix it, and then you have the opportunity to fight for real change.  As it stands now, it's pretty obvious that 'the powers that be' are not REALLY concerned about what we do, what we have accomplished, nor what we expose, as they continue to commit high crimes against people all over this planet.  In oh so many ways, only now there is the threat of complete destruction.

We need to be more focused and serious about the problems that are facing our children and grandchildren.  

It's wonderful for people to have their own agendas in life, but that is NOT what this occupation is about.  We are fighting for our basic rights to be restored.  Take a look at the political candidates that the mainstream seems to agree with.  SCARY STUFF!  So what are we accomplishing?

I more than likely will not return to occupy L.A.  I have gone almost daily when we were a tented community, although I only spent the night a few times.  It's not like I'm a stranger, so why should it be that I feel like a stranger when I show up?  

Something is wrong with this picture.

People have been angry with me because I'm not a vegan. REALLY?  How does this affect their lives?  I was born an omnivore, and for now, that's what I choose to be.  I still have that freedom in this life. 

I'll close because nobody will own up to having these behaviors, we have all been brain washed by growing up in times of mass media, so it would be difficult to expect a real solidarity for THE really important cause that we have to fight for.

Peace and solidarity always... in absentia

Deborah Cool

 

 

 

 

It was spam, or someone who

It was spam, or someone who is mad at you. You need to take a step back and look at why you think solidarity is broken, when you were the offender in the matter. We have been working on community building, and the altercation you were involved in directly affected a relationship we were trying to work on establishing. In fact it was the final stab in destroying solidarity with OLA within that community. Don't get me wrong, there were other offenses, though minor, including the fact that LAPD is so interested in what we are doing they decided to drive into the park and sit and watch for a while, which made many of the members of that community very uncomfortable. 

Right now within the movement many of us are struggling to learn about how we take certain things in our lives for granted because their are many factors in life that effect everyone differently. Everyone perceives things differently based on gender, race, class, and environment.

Maybe that day you felt entitled, or felt that they were wrong, and you were right, but there are many sides to the situation, and the end result was not appropriate. Solidarity was indeed destroyed that day, and if you didn't stick the knife it its back, you certainly gave it a good twist. 

My words represent myself and not Occupy Los Angeles. @lizsavage on Twitter

I can see that!

I do not see where there is any place to attack this piece.  

One person's experience is what it is!

I hear pre-judgement and an accusatory tone from the responder. 

Why is it being assumed that she doesn't have the knowledge to know what is going on?

Offensive indeed...    Liz, whoever you are, you have missed the boat on this

This is exactly the issue

This is exactly the issue Debbie! You rant and could care less about the people around you. This is about community building not forcing our privileged opinions and ideals on others. We as a movement need to show solitary with all communities. Your misguided ideas are the type of things that are holding us back.

My words represent myself and not Occupy Los Angeles. @lizsavage on Twitter

Have to butt in once again

I didn't notice a rant.  Her experience is not giving any clues that she has privileged opinions or ideals, quite the contrary.  I can read, and I didn't see anywhere that she was imposing her ideas on others, when actually, it is you who have passed judgement on her experience.  I have looked both of you up, and I have to say, I see she lives in an area where she is the minority, nothing privileged about that, and her posts clearly show a solidarity will people from all walks of life. 

Have you read her information page?  I have.  I have also read yours.  

You are surely not in a position to judge anyone's experience, knowledge and points of view. 

I subbed to this site to see what it was all about, and if your petty arrogance is an indication of what I will find, then I will have to opt out.  

I don't think you know anything about her at all.  

Yours are the misguided ideas as regarding the facts.

You seem to have rules, I hear that occupy has no borders, but I see that you have them.

I won't be back...

 

Fex's picture

Sure, makes a difference

A bee that stings loses it's life in the process and a bee sting doesn't do much. Should bees not sting? If a bear comes after a hive, one bee sting won't stop it. If as many bees as can sting the bear, they may save the hive.

The above analogy is incorrect however. It's what has been forced into our thinking that "regular" people are like bees, and to fight is to give up one's all and only en masse with casualties will success even be possible, which is too scary a step for many. Thus inaction by all. Conversely, we're lead to believe politicians, corporations, those with money and influence are bears, and they are very pleased if we act as scared drones.

We are not bees, we are people. They are not bears, they are people. A few times standing up for ourselves and realizing we can sting and sting without dying in the process, people may start to realize they're not bees and their adversaries are more like bratty little kids than they are like bears.

"Word following word- I wrought words. Deed following deed, I wrought deeds." - The Havamal

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