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Don't let them sink the LA Occupation over hotdogs and burritos!
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http://www.wallstreetswindler.com/?p=18485
It got tense today Inside Occupy LA…… OLA and Staff Threatened by Outside Push-Cart Food Vendors NOT the LAPD!!
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
hot dog vendors are part of
Submitted by Consumer on
hot dog vendors are part of the 99%.
Get money out of politics, make people feel like voting makes a difference, and all of the social ills will be solved.
We were told ANY $$$ SELLING not allowed at OLA
Submitted by maryjanie on
someone needs to verify, clarify that rules are as stated =we heard at GA by an organizer more than 1x that NO SELLING was happening at OLA, because it would 'shut us down"....so if someone else is selling INSIDE the occupied area and they are NOT occupiers in movement, just making money on the crowd,what happens to our guidelines/rules? ...let's not get goo goo eyed about every person around....yes the vendors are in 99%...but they are not there for same purpose as 'occupiers' are in movement ... just ask them if you dare...so allowing & agreeing with anything and everything makes for more chaos, dis-organizations, dilution and loss of what has been so diligently worked upon for 17 days now...let's GET REAL and not just idealistic, please. ...Please…confirm and find out and tell everyone the same set of guidelines/ rules and not everyone make up their own allowances or act as-if-they-can-say what Is or what is Not best practices here....we’ve been here since day 1 and noticing what is happening and how we progress, regress and still work to make this happen !
hot dog vemdor
Submitted by jubileenow on
Those push cart vedors are opportunist who don't care what the movement is all about, they should not be allowed to profit from the movement.
jubileenow
Is this what we are being reduced to?
Submitted by alhs06 on
WTF??? Stay focused attach yourself to the reason why we are doing this, detach yourself from the little thing's that distract you from why you are where you are.
Get focused & stay on task.
The Devil is alwys in the details.....
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
... And if the details derail feeding the occupiers, they MUST be attended to. JA?
Double post Sorry
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
... And if the details derail feeding the occupiers, they MUST be attended to. JA?
whose task are we talking about here ?
Submitted by maryjanie on
"Get focused & stay on task."
that must mean, the task is to stay on site in movement w/o being derailed by those who are more involved in their earnings than in what OLA is doing on site. Vendors come to where crowds gather to sell. Their task is different and seems to interfere with what allows OLA to remain at City Hall and FEED OUR FOLK FREELY. What task do you have in mind in relation to This Issue, not divergent ones ?
political party
Submitted by jubileenow on
This movement will not affect change unless it becomes a political party--now is the time for a third party in this country. If we don't, we will be stuck for four more years with Barack Obama or Herman Cain. Herman can is a capitalist beast, he sat on the board of the federal reserve! And he already showed in his comments that he hates this movement.
jubileenow
This movement will not affect
Submitted by alhs06 on
Again I say ..."WTF"?
This is not the original agenda of OWS, or why I am passionately apart of "Occupy, & The 99%". A third party is a distraction to what we all came together for, and is an unrealistic goal that will compromise & destroy the fabric of The 99% and the simple & non complexed yet difficult goal of change to our current system. I do not want to contribute another layer of deceit by introducing another party of "Good Intentioned" politicians. Your playing right into the 1% hands by doing this & in the course, shattering a Solidarity based revolution, who a lot of us are not looking for another party to join, but to combat those already in position by showing our collective Disgust in the "Status Quo".
If you want to pin the hopes of any Occupy & The 99% accomplishment's to change by creating a third party, you pin them to immediate failure in hopes that in time things may get better. Are you kidding me, are you crazy, are you planning on running in this new party? Can't you third party fans start your own movement, but stay with the 99% and just focus on the corruption of the 1% and making changes that could be implemented in our life time?
Again I say WTF?????
Hey we are all part of the 99% Hodog vendors must realize THEY
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
Can get the ticket pulled for OUR food Tent if they sell in OLA's area including the sidewalks adjecent to the lawns. This comes from the LAC Health dept, not the Food Ten or the Mdia tent or anywhere else. Maybe your sense of injustice gets outraged by the fact that the LA County health dept makes OLA feeding itself on site live with rules and regulations the pushcart crowd does not, but such is the price of doing business. OLA's business is growing nicely thank you, because the team deals with the Powers That Be on rational levels and they are returning the respect. Unlike most other cities in occupation, NO ONE occupying LA has been beaten by the LAPD, LA Sheriffs, Highway patrol or any other law enforcement agency. It is WORK to maintain this discipline on BOTH sides, please UNDERSAND what it takes to keep this going along and SUPPORT Occupy LA.
If ONE person gets ill from an un-permitted unsanitary pushcart vendor at OLA, we can lose the food tent. No mater what, life IS a series of trade off decisions and I am pretty sure the right one is to keep the food tent open and the Hotdog vendors out on the corners or across the street, where they can sell what they want, in any manner they want with out jeopardizing OLA's permit process, and getting Michelle, whose name is on the line to keep the food tent open, fined up to $5,000 per violation for an outside hotdog vendor. If you want a Hotdog or other stuff offered by the pushcart crews, walk down to the corner or across the street. If we all work together we can keep Occupy Los Angeles the world leader in non-violent demonstration of American First Amendment Rights.
agreed ...keep OUTSIDE vendors out of the tented block..but....
Submitted by maryjanie on
who has the bold courage to tell them to MOVE elsewhere ? if they are lookin brown, po', are workers,more sympathy prevails and cheap hunger adds to negligence.... thus protection of OLA continuing fails and health dept agreements are broken.....WHO takes responsibility and repeatedly, for that is what it takes, and tells OUTSIDE vendors that they are endangering the encampment/ movement ?.....
how much other flack will that daring person get from surrounding crowd to not deny anyone entry 'because they are 99% workers too"...can the security/ peacekeepers be given this task too ?
who else is 'entitled' to say what can or not happen on site? very tricky situation...and if YOU know how to have rules/guidelines enforced without an ugly crowd/mob reaction, please let us all know also at other forums and places on this website. thanx
1. The vendors are not OLA.
Submitted by nobody on
1. The vendors are not OLA.
2. If someone gets sick from eating a vendor's weenie, argue that it's their own fault.
If someone walked off-site and got lunch, and got sick on-site, would OLA's food tent get shut down? No. It was off-site food. Same should go for hot dog vendors, who, as you all probably know, are totally unlicensed.
These vendors are part of Downtown LA's fabric, even if they are unlicensed. When in Rome, etc. Don't be little bureaucratic bosses.
Weenie Vendors Clarification... The Facts
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
2. If someone gets sick from eating a vendor's weenie, argue that it's their own fault.
A- If it happens on OLA permitted area, including adjacent sidewalks, there is NO ARGUMENT if LA County Health writes violations.
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Rancho Larry
O.L.A.: don't take on function of police to harrass food vendors
Submitted by Lee on
There actually have been political struggles in Los Angeles against the harrassment of food vendors, who are not just part of the 99% but really working class people. O.L.A. needs to refuse to take on police functions. I really want this movement to succeed, but it doesn't have to succeed necessarily by staying indefinitely on the City Hall lawn at any cost. I see it gradually getting subverted, becoming a movement not of resistance but of complicity.
Leone
Lee they are fighting for their OLA lives here.... Peacefully
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
The way I see it: To fight within the system, even using civil disobedience, you have to WORK the system. Unless it is all out WAR and THAT is NOT what is going on at City Hall, Thank God!
super disappointed.
Submitted by chamaka on
I saw this article being circulated on fb and thought it was a joke. I didn't want to believe that a so-called peoples movement would be capable of demonstrating such malice for other human beings. The child in the article is 15 years old. You all brought a 15 yo child to tears and still dare to call her breakdown a tactic to bring about sympathy. Do you really think that this child wants to spend her weekends/days selling water bottles to a bunch of overpriviledged, pretentious hipsters? My guess is no.
I hope you all understand that these people selling hot dogs, popsicles, water bottles, etc are out there trying to make a living to pay rent and feed their families. They are not opportunist trying to make a quick buck. They are trying to make a living and survive in an unforgiving economy. These individuals fill their carts everyday and take to the streets. They risk harrasment by police, confiscation of their merchandise, being robbed, and now they have to be afraid of ya'll too.
I understand its easy to pick a fight with a 15yo child, but why not find your vertebrae and pick a fight with the people who are really fucking you over....LAC Health Dept. Try pushing back before you comply to their every request.
I agree with Lee & Chamaka
Submitted by alhs06 on
They are part of us The 99%, give them a break, I'm sure their not subversives working incognito for the 1%. Compassion not hate.
I did not say they are intentional subersives....
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
I said they BECAME a danger ie. as dangerous as intentional Agent Provocateurs, when they REFUSED to move to a corner off the sidewalk when requested COMPASSIONATELY (see also nicely politely respectfully). Hell folks this stuff is complicated as it is. I just tried to convey the Out-Of-Left-Field threat this outside weenie vendor situation poses to the occupation from The-Powers-That-Be. I hope you can see that Really...
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Rancho Larry
SHAME ON OLA "MANAGEMENT"
Submitted by sc99er on
I can’t believe how low you have stood; you have truly shown how much of a bunch of hypocrites OLA management really is.
To yell and make a 15 year old cry because she is trying to help her parents in this broken economy and call her an opportunist demonstrate how little you really care about the 99%. You should be furious that a kid needs to sell “hotdogs” and “burritos” to survive a meager life. She truly is a 99%er. Can’t believe all this just because the people in charge are afraid of a fine that they cant very easily fight and win proving the food venders are not associated with OLA officials. I question you ability to effectively organize and defend your movement legally.
For OLA management to side with authorities instead of protecting one of our own is shameful. I understand that there are issues with sanitation, however, that is not for OLA management to be concerned with but the public health authorities. I see OLA Security functioning as an oppressive force mirroring the same force they claim to be protesting.
Also, why is OLA management trying to dictate what we eat or who we buy food from? You have no say if we step out of the camp and eat elsewhere in Downtown or if we decide to give our business to food venders (taking our risk of an illness as we would eating at any restaurant).
Remember people and you too, OLA management hypocrites, City Hall and its immediate facility is public property. Food venders, who are part of the 99% and are trying to make a living, have as much right to be there as we do. Please let the county health officials do their job and do not do it for them making you agents of the oppressive system you claim to be protesting.
DO NOT MAKE LITTLE GIRLS CRY.
Protecting OLA's Food Tent.. sc99er did you read the story?
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
Did you see the Pics?
First I suspect you were not there at this incident and I was (see my photos on the linked story).
http://www.wallstreetswindler.com/?p=18485
Next, it is my understanding through interviewing the OLA Responsible-Occupier-Of The Food Tent, Michelle, that The LA County health food tent permit process designates all the areas occupied (lawns) and adjacent sidewalks as the areas OLA is responsible for maintaining food safety regulations (if the food tent is to stay in business).
The outside vendors including, this little girl were ASKED by OLA Security people to move to either a nearby corner (not on the adjacent sidewalk), or sidewalk across the street. Then it got heated as they basically told security shove it (you’re not the boss of me). It heated up further when some other young Latino men decided to step in and add voice to back up the vendors. It eventually wound up with them shouting LET HER ALONE and You are Racists from these visitors to OLA.
Does this make me an asshole for stepping up with Security, to protect the Occupation from Agent Provocateurs? The vendors MAY be 99%ers but they BECAME Agent Provocateurs when they would not cooperate by doing business on a corner or across the street. Can the Occupation carry on without the food tent? Maybe or maybe not as the occupiers DO need to eat. I urge EVERYBODY to take a hard look at the last photo in my story. My observations for it all, from the thick of it, comes to this concussion: Crocodile Tears at Best, at worst a violation of LA COUNTY food safety costing up to $5,000.00. Let me aks you this: Are YOU ready to step up and donate $5,000 when the OLA food tent gets fined? I aint got it, Michelle aint got it do you?
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Follow up for sc99er
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
Fear mongering. Great tactic.
Submitted by chamaka on
Your inability to reflect and accept another persons point of view is frightening. Even more alarming, is the ease with which you accuse individuals of being agent provocateurs. What kind of witch hunt are you trying to start up here? So anyone who does not comply with Security's orders is suspect? Anyone who questions decisions/actions made by security is up for scrutiny? And you Larry, are here to protect the movement from all the big bad opportunists who use their childrens' crocodile tears to gain sympathy. Its amazing how a title and a little authority can really mess with an individual's integrity.
Btw, I am also a new online member. I registered to comment specifically on this issue. However, should I tell you of the many nights I've marched, camped out, lounged out in order to validify my voice? The revolution is happening outside of the comfort of your computer screen. You have no right to question the commitment of others solely because you do not agree with thier point of view.
Who Are You? Who Who Who Who? In Support of OLA!
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
As a reporter I question EVERYTHING until I KNOW the FACTS-------And as a reporter I admit I am caught up in the emotional tide washing over us all as this movement struggles forward, and I am feeling very protective of it.
1. The more time I spend with those who ARE putting the tasks on THEIR shoulders, the more I watch the ones who eat, breath, sleep (on the cold hard ground in tents) and walk the walk of this OLA movement the more my soul goes out to them. Michelle, the Food Tent Hero (in my book) is just one I have come to feel a bond with. I have spent hours with her talking on and off the record. I do believe I understand what is what with the food tent issues (as of 2 days ago anyway). I know that the energies she and her dedicate crew contribute to FEED the Occupiers, make the on-site 24/7 occupation a continuing reality.
2. As a journalist I KNOW I am losing objectivity. I have witnessed the dedication of her and the folks at the Welcome tent, the Media Tent, the Library, First-Aide, and yes those who step up to put themselves potentially in harm's way to help keep order in an admittedly CRAZY place at an INSANE time, the Security Volunteers. THOSE are the people whom I HAVE NO RIGHT to question their commitment. Those are the people I have watched give selflessly of their time and energy. Those are the people who have my support in both words and deeds. Come on down, search out Michelle, or Clark or Mario in the Media tent. Ask them what is their impression, or opinion of Larry from the Wall Street Swindler if YOU are committed to finding out the facts down here at OLA.
3. I mean no disrespect to you and I WORK to NOT disrespect anyone. But the facts are these: Unless you were there at the incident this is ALL about, you do not KNOW what you are talking about, and everything on your plate is OPINION and/or SPECULATION.
4. I don’t what to know what you've done in the past, SHOW me (and those here) what you are DOING NOW to earn my respect for your level commitment. Please continue to voice your opinion(s). Please come down to LA City Hall. Bring some stuff they need. You can find out by looking for the listings they post about donations needed. Support the Food Tent by stopping by Costco and spending $10 or $20 or more on boxes of Granola/Energy bars, or a few cases of water or some old blankets or markers or whatever. Just do it. Do it because THAT is commitment. That IS support. THAT makes you PART of this movement we ALL so desperately need to succeed. Do The WORK. So Waddya Got, Really?
5. Thank you for the opportunity for this dialogue.
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PS I got NO Title, I got NO Authority....
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
I just KNOW what I'm talking about because I am in command of the FACTS this time....
Occupier-Of The Food Tent,
Submitted by alhs06 on
Our food tent is only responsible for the food it prepares & serves from the tent, even if we supplied the vendors food, once it enters the cart it's the cart permittee responsibility to maintain food safety standards, based on their permit type.
Larry
Submitted by chamaka on
You are right. I was not present at the time of the incident, but the FACTS that I did get were straight from your website and pictures (which by the way is floating around fb). My reaction is in response to the FACTS that you yourself presented. I stand by what I have said, I feel that by pushing the vendors out you'all misdirecting your energies and wasting away the fight you should be giving the city. As for the rest of your self-righteous rant, I'm not going to humor you with a response. Thank you for the opportunity for open and honest dialogue.
You are welcome
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
K?
The facts are we have had
Submitted by lizsavage on
The facts are we have had many different reactions from the health department, and have been trying to comply with the city as they have so graciously worked with us. Occupy LA was cited holding us responsible for the vendors at one time. Not having food here has been really tough on those of us who actually LIVE here, or are occupying full time.People who visit from the outside have a hard time understanding we cannot work if we are not eating, and there are a lot of us actually working.
Michelle is one hell of a woman and has been super strong through all of this, I hope everyone gets behind her, and realizes she has really put herself on the line for us to have food here. If anyone is servsafe certified in california please contact us to see how you can volunteer! We need cooks, servers, organizers, and security!
My words represent myself and not Occupy Los Angeles. @lizsavage on Twitter
Is the food served Free
Submitted by alhs06 on
Is the food tent food free or are we charging money instead of asking donation's. Are people being paid for their services or is it all donated time?
YES..
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
YES indeed..
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