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I have tried to control my growing need to expose my sarcasm but a man can only take, or read so much.
In Los Angeles, we seem to all be afflicted to one extent or the other with ADD. No matter how simple the message or direction, we feel a need to add to it, subtract from it, change it, ignore it or just do something weird with it. Anything but focusing on it & paying attention to it.
If you ask the average Angelian to sit @ a intersection & just count the white cars passing through it, God only knows what kind of report you will end up with @ the end of the day. We are not all like this, my wife isn't, my kids aren't, most Black's, Hispanics & Asian's who are my relatives & who I hang with aren't, several of the poor & unemployed whites who I am a part of aren't, so why is it so hard for the rest of us to stay focused & REAL.
We are all here for what I would hope to be the same reason, "The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%." This is the original message from our founding group in New York, Occupy Wall Street. If your unable to or incapable of understanding this simple statement, maybe you could take a few minutes to ask for help. If you don't want to follow this message you are in the wrong revolution, you need to start your own, otherwise your disrupting ours & trying to splinter it, why would you want to do that?
We have all been held down by the corrupt action's passed into law by our Weak & Greedy, Disgusting Politician's, we fondly refer to as our elected official's, and the Greedonimc's & Greed Monger's they so sneakily & slyly work for. We all personally feel the sharp pangs of pain that these worms have injected into our lives, yet we FEEL A NEED TO INVITE & EMPLOYEE people who have a name brand to put into words that which they are not personally experiencing. such as. Long Term Unemployment, Wages cut in half or more, Foreclosure, Rental Eviction, auto repossession, adequate & convenient Health Care, the shame of Welfare, the lack of public transportation & a way to get to a job interview or you cant AFFORD THE $3.90 a GALLON GAS for your about to break down car, or the insurance & license fees for it, your sucked up 401k, sleeping outdoors or in your car or in the bushes. You want a speaker, get one who is a member of the 99 Club, Google it if you don't know what it is, & shame on you! Hint, it has something to do with unemployment. Not meditation ...MY GOD GIVE ME A FUC*ING BREAK, is it just me, or does anybody else hear the Twilite Zone intro getting louder?
Maybe it's something in the water, but why can't we in Los Angeles stay away from the people or issues that do not have anything to do with our movement? A lot of us seem so fake or so far out in the Cosmos that being called "Spaced Out" would actually be a compliment.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
What if these people are
Submitted by patnavaja on
What if these people are speaking from the cosmos cos they're so disconnected by work.. We are the 99% fed up with corporate greed but not all the 99% are unemployed. You know as well as everyone else, as the occupation gets bigger and more people add to the fire, it will eventually get in the way of those who do have to work two jobs. Why not keep an open ear or open eye in this case and try to understand every bodies point of view, as fake as they may seem. For example, your own post you mention having speakers. That may not be as bad as many believe. Why not rally behind OccupyTogethers most sophisticated minds, we have 99% of America to choose from. Other than that, personally I took a little offense when you consider some of us to be fake. This static everyone has flowing throw them could be the crazies like you believe, but isn't it also the essence of patriotism?
AM3R1CA_s2n
sophisticated minds?
Submitted by alhs06 on
Sophisticated, there is nothing sophisticated about the movement, only complication's when we allow ourselves or others to stray off task.You write "who do have to work two jobs", why are you/they/we working two jobs? Wages cut, as I mentioned, spouse unemployed, as I mentioned.
If you throw a stone into a pack of dogs, or people, the one who yelps, speaks out, are the ones who were struck. Take offense, pout, defend all you want, but stay on task stay focused, lead or follow or get out of the way, but do not endanger the movement or splinter the membership.
Solidarity not Singularity, it is a simple yet vital message of hope to those who really & Truly Understand it "The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%.." Verbatim from Occupy Wall Street web site, what is so sophisticated in this meaning, that the simple minded would need interpretation by those who have more education then experience in how it affect's ones life. To some of us, this movement is our only tool we have as a group to use as a ways & means of extracting our life from the deep dark abyss we find ourselves in, can you understand this. Does it make sense to you why we may not want someone who hasn't experienced our pain to wield & control the only tool @ our disposal?
I believe this movement means a whole lot more to some of us, as it does to other's, who may have other options outside of "Occupy & The 99%". To some of us & our families this is our only foreseeable hope.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
Idk all I'm saying is, this
Submitted by patnavaja on
Idk all I'm saying is, this is all unorganized aggression. And with the police acting the way they have lately, I fear pre revolutionary mobs. If you take into account the American revolution, it goes protest, mob, continental congress, war, victory. The king in our world is corporation. I just highly believe we can skip the mob and violence and move straight into getting our demands met. Maybe constructing and executing some sort of ultimatum to the government or something I don't know, that's where speakers would come in.. Take all our uneducated concerns and make them educated demands. I don't think the rich give a shit that everyone's upset because they nor government aren't FORCED to do anything about it. I'm all for solidarity but are u saying I shouldn't be part of the movement because I don't understand? I'm 19 years old having to work two jobs trying to get back into school, if I could I'd be there outside 24/7 sporting the cause. but since I'm not I have to spit in my 2 cents, the occupation was successful congratulations, now it's time to make the change we all want. I say new continental congress, you obviously disagree, but I ain't mad at ya, if anything what your way of getting our demands met.
AM3R1CA_s2n
dare to struggle;and dare to win!
Submitted by giya.victoria on
a famous quote from a revolutionary leader. i know the thought of chaos and state aggression terrifies us,but like how we all rose up from our work place to occupying LA. we just need to remember the reasons why were here,and we shouldnt forget that we are doing this for our future and for our people.
Amen giya.victoria
Submitted by alhs06 on
Amen giya.victoria, well put.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
wasnt it thomas paine who
Submitted by patnavaja on
wasnt it thomas paine who said,a little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation. wouldnt the government be more inclined to listen directly to us if they feared our departure from the union. isnt it our god given right to change government if it fails to protect its people from all forms, even corporation. to be truly american is to have different people do different things but all participate as one right? i dont even know im getting lost ;) but i still say there should be a group who gets together and writes an ultimatum for the government to take action against corporate greed, not everybody should be focused on the occupation but on how to get government to recognize our needs.
AM3R1CA_s2n
wasnt it thomas paine who said, Maybe But Jefferson Did Say
Submitted by alhs06 on
Wasnt it Thomas Paine who said, "a little matter will move a party, but it must be something great that moves a nation"
Maybe
But Thomas Jefferson Did Say, "I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical. Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them. An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors go mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much. It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of government."
To James Madison, January 30th, 1787. link for a copy of the entire letter http://www.earlyamerica.com/review/summer/letter.html
THIS BLOOD FLOWS IN THE VEINS OF US ALL, MAKING US ALL BLOOD BROTHERS & SISTERS IN THIS MOVEMENT, "Occupy & The 99%"!
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
well put and inspiring my
Submitted by patnavaja on
well put and inspiring my friend,but isnt this a strategy for congress i didnt read the whole letter yet but isnt the part you posted kind of saying. lets not punish them so they go overboard and if they fail, over time we pass legislation to further restrict rights?
...Unsuccessful rebellions, indeed, generally establish the encroachments on the rights of the people which have produced them.
An observation of this truth should render honest republican governors go mild in their punishment of rebellions as not to discourage them too much.
i think hes telling madison that, since the wars been over and the new government took over, expect rebellions but dont persecute them with deep convictions like the brits did to us. therefore if the rebellions fail, we can slowly and stealthily take the rights of our governed for easier control.
lets hope occupytogether is successful in making government recognize our needs, for the fears that present itself if we were unsuccessful seem even more awful then how things are now. furthermore, activity on the owst forum suggest, as network and communications grow we will eventually need speakers, not permanent but some sort of credible voice.
personally, the owst forums seem split about their needs or demands. some suggesting that we are for the destruction of capitalism that iran seems to back.. then there are those who believe that we shouldnt blame the rich but re take control of the government via populist party.
supersean did a great thing by letting all of us know that we have already started to document our issues.
theres not much of an arugment here like there kind of was with the other posts. i hope we can start networking for the good of the movement.
btw im part of the cincy movement but im from east la. hows los angeles holding up.out here is small but nevertheless passionate.
AM3R1CA_s2n
An explanation of the statement made in refferance to rebellion.
Submitted by alhs06 on
An explanation of the statement made in refferance to rebellion.
A Letter From Thomas Jefferson To James MadisonShays' Rebellion — a sometimes-violent uprising of farmers angry over conditions in Massachusetts in 1786 — prompted Thomas Jefferson to express the view that "a little rebellion now and then is a good thing" for America. Unlike other leaders of The Republic, Jefferson felt that the people had a right to express their grievances against the government, even if those grievances might take the form of violent action.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
someone is patnavaja
Submitted by Supersean on
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
from our brothers in NYC.
Another good post by Supersean
Submitted by alhs06 on
Okay, it's a bit of reading but a quick study, very informative & well laid out, A good contribution in direction to relevant information, thanks for the following link Supersean
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-demands-please-help-editadd-so-th/
from our brothers in NYC.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
have you guys heard how Iran
Submitted by patnavaja on
have you guys heard how Iran is supporting the movement as the death of capitalism.. it probably wont affect the movement itself but do u agree its a sort of bad recommendation letter lol for the movement in the eyes of the world.
AM3R1CA_s2n
Iran is supporting the movement as the death of capitalism.
Submitted by alhs06 on
Wonder how they came up with that concluusion?
What's your thoughts on why
Submitted by patnavaja on
What's your thoughts on why congress hasn't made a statement about occupy together yet? If I read correctly former president Clinton is pro occupy together as well as Argentina and Iran, but i think Congress is stiring up a witty response to the movement that will seem lousy in the eyes of the 99%... your views?
AM3R1CA_s2n
Thanks for the Stump
Submitted by alhs06 on
I spend a lot of time researching different sites, especially ones who display a party affiliation. Some I have come accross, such as the The Patriot Action Network or Liberty News Network, a Republican based site, hate "Occupy, The 99%" they are convinced we are a group of socialist's or communist's, they are a bit confused, with a hidden agenda. Here's an excerpt
It has not hit the organizers of this fiasco yet that they have majorly screwed up, and that the OWS “movement” is a propaganda fiasco. While the OWS protest organizers fully counted on and are utilizing their allies in the Socialist Liberal Media (the SLIME) to “document” their deeds, they forgot about NEW MEDIA. They did not count on the filth and the ugliness being transmitted globally by the eyes and ears of the new media.
I'm sure most of us heard Newt Gingrich call us an Uneducated Mob who need to find a job, wonder why he hates us so much? Wonder if he can get me a job in education?
Then a far left site, called Liberal Forum seem to love us. Heres an excerpt from their site
If And When Ows Becomes Violent Will You Take Up Arms?
Are you frustrated with the Republican and the Democratic parties? Do you feel that neither side represents you and are just two sides of the same coin? I know I am. Check out the Democratic Socialist of America party at this link: blocked out link
Its what the OWS protests are really about ...uh WHAT???
The Democrats are holding their collective tongues for now, they are not quite sure if they should take the opposite road traveled by the Repubs, or join them in demonstrativing us. The problem with our genius politicians on both sides of the fence is that they can't comprehend a large group of diverse people coming together as one voice. They recognize a name that is active in the Communist party, or the Labor Union, or The Green Party or the Tea Party or their party, and don't know how to spin that name & affiliation to their advantage in attacking or defending our movement.
But a sure sign of a successful revolution is when all of the establishment groups in power can find common ground to hate us, and that would be a good thing, because the unfair & imbalanced media would be driven insaner than they already are. Since we all know that everybody loves the underdog. Now then they might have to report our movement accurately and without tagging us with a different label or party affiliation each night.
Congress can't or won't release any formal comment regarding our movement. But the longer we go & the bigger we grow, you know they will all have something to say about us.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
see i fear its those who are
Submitted by patnavaja on
see i fear its those who are both passionate about the movement as well as passionate for their party thats splitting the people of this movement. if anything if these few people were to not take into account what their party believes then we could all rally for the common cause of equality but people are torn between things like whether we are pro communism and socialism rather capitalism or abolishing the current government when really we the people just need to be represented again. and ive even been reading a few stating we should blame the jewish, and others who are just trying to promote or endorse themselves or others. its really astonishing how people are the 99% but not the whole 99% is at the heart of the movement, call me corny but no homo if our heart doesnt beat strong enough we are going to die.
AM3R1CA_s2n
Congress is waiting, like a
Submitted by Supersean on
Congress is waiting, like a lot of Americans, for the demonstrations to get their first taste of winter.
would it be a good strategy
Submitted by patnavaja on
would it be a good strategy to use the winter to grow the movement exponentially but relatively quitely, for example not necessarily protesting outside, but newtowrking at the bars, clubs or whatever people do throwing rallies and maybe uniting all the occupations under the radar with communications within the movement to plan a strong united spring, another example maybe, instead of the occupations targeting individually maybe occupy together could use BoA or similar as our 1st united stand, meaning from new york to los angeles and every occupation in between, a titdal wave of sychronized protest to show we are strong and united, as one we still have a credible voice without any to represent us but ourselves. then we go from there, spring we stress corporate for taking advantage of us, then summer we protest the white house for not protecting its people from the greed, assuming congress still hasnt made a statement. this first year of protesting around the nation just seems a little scrambled.
AM3R1CA_s2n
occupy buildings that are
Submitted by nobody on
occupy buildings that are being held by banks?
not necessarily i mean, if we
Submitted by patnavaja on
not necessarily i mean, if we want to make a statement against BoA for example then lets say 5pm est new york protests @ BoA corporate building in NYC where the same time 2pm wst los angeles protesters march on the BoA building downtown, same goes for chicago portland sac town and the rest of occupy together but most important if its BoA, a protest @ North Carolina at the BoA HQ.. if the media chooses to break the story, the only way to describe the move would be, a united front vs BoA, which may or may not be a boost to the movement, a sense of true unity and power through it. thats my take, whats yours
AM3R1CA_s2n
The only important statement is ours The 99%
Submitted by alhs06 on
A politicians formal statement is only as good as the latest spin it was cast in. Personally there is nothing a Politician or one of their staff can state to me, Joe Public, that I could or would believe or rely on, that's how they have trained me. Water is wet, fire is hot, Jessica Biel is hotter & a politicians word is only that, words with no conviction. It's so rampant that they themselves make jokes about the fact, and we all laugh. We need to change that to a collective sigh of disgust.
The only Important Statement is ours, a clear and resounding "We're sick of the greed and corruption of the 1%. And We're not going to take it anymore"
The only statement our Government can make is not with their voice through the process, but the Repealing of the many laws changed by them causing this reaction, and to sign them back into legislation. Fighting tooth & nail for us The 99%, to the last appeal by the 1%. We the People, The 99% are not looking for charity but rather change. And by so doing our Elected Officials will be sending us their apologies for the painful corruption they aloud The 99% to endure & the needless suffering & mental anguish they have delivered into our homes, affecting our children and our communities. We can never forget what has befallen us at the hands of those who promised to protect & serve us through the office they were sworn into, but instead, chose to betray us through the trust we provided. I may be a bit harsh, but there are provision's in our Bill of rights that protect us from treasonous act's perpetrated by those abroad & inside our Nation. Elected officials are not exempt, nor are the 1% behind the curtain or those who skillfully deliver the message of betrayal. an act of treason also.
are you advocating a repeal
Submitted by Supersean on
are you advocating a repeal of CFMA? That would be a good concrete goal imo.
i see, what can the movement
Submitted by patnavaja on
i see, what can the movement do to further your lead because just by chance lets say we are loud enough to get attention, do you think the shouting will be enough to get politicians to repeal some of their decisions, or will the money prevail. i think my perspective is starting to change, from are going to force them to do something to waiting to see if our protesting by itself can persuade them to repeal. am i sort of on your path or miles away
AM3R1CA_s2n
As far as CFMA goes, the
Submitted by Supersean on
As far as CFMA goes, the movement can be very effective on the current regime. It would help if we could get our Atty. Gen. to stand up and say that the CFMA is the reason he can't prosecute any of the bankers and it should be repealed. Pressuring Holder and Obama to take this stance is, I think, within the movements power.
My 1st choice to repeal would
Submitted by alhs06 on
My 1st choice to repeal would be The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999. & reinstating the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933. I believe if we could repeal this one act, it would automatically nullify & repeal several other pieces of legislation that were signed into law on it's coat tails.
"Long Live Occupy, Long Live The 99%"
again, a worthy goal imo.
Submitted by Supersean on
again, a worthy goal imo.
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