OLAASM and Psy-Ops
by Sue Basko
As reported earlier, social media going by the name of "Occupy Los Angeles Anti Social Media" or, OLAASM and BlackBlocMedia have invaded Occupy LA in order to cause rifts between people and to try to cause the end of the Occupy Los Angeles group.
OLAASM and BlackBlocMedia are apparently part of a larger psy-ops campaign against the Occupy movement that was launched nationally a couple weeks ago. This post is about OLAASM. OLAASM has a twitter, a Facebook, and a tumblr (website). Since last writing, I have found out a lot more. OLAASM is run by several people – among them are angry young, inexperienced newbie protesters. Also among them are also people who act as if they are undercover FBI and agents from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) trying to catch or draw in those angry protesters. By now, quite a few people know who is who.
The INTERESTING thing is that FBI/DHS undercover agents behave almost exactly like actual terrorism planners -- so if you avoid anyone that acts like this, you are avoiding both. Both undercover operatives and people actually planning bombings or attacks try to draw you in using the same techniques -- which I explain below, but which you can also read about on many place on the Internet.
The techniques being used by OLAASM are typical Psy-Ops, or psychological operations. Psychological operations are often used by undercover law enforcement agents infiltrating protest groups. The marks in OLA -- the people being drawn in as “insiders,” are supposed to view themselves as special, in on something big, and against the other lame, more mainstream people. These "lame" people are being harassed on twitter and tumblr.
Several people from OLA have told me that they now fear for their lives and safety because of this OLAASM group.
I personally was harassed on the OLAASM twitter after I wrote my first blog exposing them. If you do not know me, I am a lawyer who helped OLA with legal information before the camp began. Since then, I have helped with many things for OLA, including getting major news coverage for a recent arrest/ overcharging situation. I have also called attention to the trademarking situation and have worked with several of the OLA Legal team members, whose hands have been tied by obstructionists.
I also write a blog that is now one of the main sources of legal information for protesters and Occupy groups nationally and internationally. I have also fielded questions from Occupy groups nationwide.
HOW TO SHOW YOU DO NOT APPROVE OF THE PSY-OPS OPERATIONS BEING CONDUCTED BY OLAASM:
Keep in mind that normal good people would never in a million years be involved in an anonymous twitter account that cyberbullies individuals.
1) Block OLAASM and BLACKBLOCMEDIA on twitter.
2) Do not “like” the facebook.
3) Do not read or look at the tumblr. This is probably most important because psy-ops groups often booby trap their sites with trackers and tracers.
4) If you see OLAASM or BLACKBLOCMEDIA harassing or bullying someone on Twitter – which is being done each day -- DO NOT PARTICIPATE. If you want to show support for the victim, send the person a DM or a @ message saying that you see they are being attacked and you stand up for what is good. This can be helpful.
TECHNIQUES OF OLAASM: This group calling itself OLAASM is comprised of people who act as if they are undercover FBI/ DHS operatives and some of their prey, who have been drawn in by the idea that by belonging to it, they will be “special.” Those falling prey to it are mostly newbie protester kiddies who are not yet wise enough to how things work. OLAASM is using fear techniques to scare others. The techniques most in use are launching attacks against individuals via tumblr and twitter. Some of this is also happening on the listserv.
SWARMING: The most common technique being used by OLAASM is that they are swarming one person at a time, with comments that are vicious and insulting. The comments are meant to insinuate bad things or embarrass the person. Yesterday, they were ganging up on a nice lady who tweets a lot. When the OLAASM twitter was attacking me, they were posting things that no person who actually cares about OLA would ever write. You just don’t launch senseless untrue attacks against a lawyer who has donated hundreds of hours to helping your group. OLAASM is clearly against Occupy LA, even if it has drawn in some of its members.
The attack against me was using hashtags such as #shame #paternal #controlfreak. I am older and very experienced, so I just look at that and think: Angry unproductive people and undercover FBI operatives.
Often, the person writing from OLAASM is not present at the event, but is watching the live feed and pretending to be on-site. This is obvious.
TWISTING: Another technique being used by OLAASM is a common psy-ops technique of twisting. For example, someone is doing or planning something illegal. Someone or a group will call attention to the illegality of the act. Then a person or swarm will clobber down hard on the person complaining about the illegality. The motive is to confuse, to make illegality the norm.
CULT SPACE: Occupy LA is a public protest group and as such, is legal. Some in the group have professed a cult-like behavior of saying that illegal acts committed by members of the group are not to be reported to the police. That in itself is cult-like behavior, in addition to being illegal as intimidating the victims of crime. OLA also allows people to use multiple names, multiple identities, false names, and false identities. The healthier, more normal people in OLA need to rise up and make the group healthy once again. Just say no to cult behavior.
In a normal, healthy organization, a group such as OLAASM could not set foot, because no one would tolerate an anonymous person or group bullying and harassing people.
BLACK HAT PSY-OPS: Because OLAASM is anonymous and nefarious and also dishonest, it is what is called “Black Hat” psy-ops. Its aim is to confuse, cause chaos, instill fear in good people, cause productive people to leave OLA, and have OLA overtaken by people professing violence and undercover police. OLAASM is trying to give OLA a bad / worse reputation with the public. It does not take very much of the OLAASM-style evil nonsense before most good people say, "I've had enough."
WHAT ARE THE GOALS OF A PSY-OP LIKE OLAASM?
The goals of a psy-op like OLAASM are multi-pronged:
1) To end the Occupy LA group by scaring off the members who are experienced, nonviolent, rational, productive, etc., by making them believe “the group” has taken a turn toward the violent, frightening, etc.
2) To publicly harass the members who are rational, nonviolent, productive, to make them afraid for their lives and safety and get them to quit participating in the organization.
KEEP IN MIND, OLA participants have already stated they are in fear for their lives and safety because of the OLAASM group. This is NOT a benign group or activity.
3) To turn the organization violent and non-law-abiding, which renders it ineffective, gets it mired into a “cops vs us” mentality, and gives cause for law enforcement to clamp down hard.
4) By turning the OLA organization to one that professes to engage in illegal, destructive behavior, the OLA group can be placed on the US Terrorism group list, which makes it illegal to donate to it, to render service to it (including service from lawyers), to belong to it. This also opens up a whole panoply of allowable covert spying techniques on the group, including secret subpoenas on social media and email accounts.
5) Ultimately, for the FBI/ DHS operatives to catch the angry participants in stated plans to conduct some destructive act. Recent domestic terrorist arrests made by the FBI have involved people who stated they would set off bombs, etc., although they did not conduct these acts. Just talking about these things is enough to be considered a “terrorist plot.”
WARNING: IF YOU ARE ACTUALLY planning violence, then I hope the FBI gets you and stops you. However, if you are just a big talker getting involved with the wrong things without considering closely enough, then I suggest that you start thinking. If you are a budding Timothy McVeigh or Jared Loughner, then by all means -- let them catch you and lock you away.
HOW TO AVOID PSY-OPS:
1) Use real names and identities. Check IDs.
2) Avoid people or groups that do not use real names.
3) Avoid people that use multiple identities.
4) Avoid secrecy.
5) Avoid cult behavior. If anyone tries to keep you from reporting illegal behavior to the police, ignore them and report it.
6) Avoid anyone that wants you to report to them. They may want you to report your own activities and thoughts, or those of someone else. They may want you to report on confidential meetings with your lawyer. Their insistence on this intrusion can come in the guise of telling you you must cooperate, that they are trying to mentor you or train you for a leadership position. This is all bogus.
7) Avoid any person or group that twists things from wrong to right. Damaging people or property is wrong, but if you have been around a Cy-Ops person long enough, you may start thinking the opposite. No matter how someone wants to glamorize it or makes fun of those that disagree, destructive acts are illegal, immoral, and unethical. Beware of those who use qualifiers, who say they think it is only okay to do violence against the people or property of those they label as the enemy.
8) Avoid anyone that wants to get you into a secret group where things are supposed to be more interesting or exciting. Usually this is someone setting you up for arrest.
9) Beware of people or groups that want to get you high or drunk and get you to talk.
10) Beware of people who want to take you to visit or stake out a proposed site where some sort of destructive act is being proposed or even theoretically proposed.
11) Beware of flattery or offers of sex.
12) Beware of coincidences. THIS IS IMPORTANT! What might these coincidences be? You need a place to live, they just happen to have a place you can move in. You walk into a mall or park, and they just happen to be there. They just happen to show up living where you live. Think hard about these relationships and about information being elicited from you.
13) Beware of dares or people trying to get you to prove yourself or to offer information about yourself, your activities, or your whereabouts. Ask: Who are you and why are you asking this? You don't need to tell anyone anything.
14) Beware of fake profiles online. They are all over. Cyberstalking is a crime in California. If you fear for your safety or are being harassed or embarassed online, it is time to report this.


23 Comments
Active Imaginations
Submitted by nobody on
OLAASM that Black Bloc site, and Sue Basko all have active imaginations.
Chances are, there are some cops or wannabes within OLA who are pushing for extreme behaviors. That's usually how they operate. There's a good film about this called "Better This World" about an activist who became a police informant.
OLA's risks of being taken over by ASM or BB is minimal. First of all, there are a lot of other organizations for radicals, and anyone who reads fora or hang around with the angry kids can find them. Second, the general assembly is pretty moderate, and not that large anymore.
Third, a lot of energy is focused on two things: foreclosures and May 1. Neither are going to involve extreme property damage, just financial effect either from occupation, or from not working on May 1. Any other proposed actions aren't likely to take off - if anything they'll cause the parties proposing them to be taken less seriously.
Being taken over is no one's concern
Submitted by Sue Basko on
No one was afraid of being taken over by the people in OLAASM or BlackBlockMedia. Quite the opposite -- people want to avoid them.
The attacks launched by OLAASM have been vicious. OLAASM launched attacks against MANY of the most major participants in Occupy LA. People were/ are afraid for their safety and lives.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
I use a fake name to try to
Submitted by RanDomino on
I use a fake name to try to protect myself from undercovers and informants, so... Overall it seems your advice has a recklessly altruistic opinion of the police. Are you assuming that the police, FBI, etc, have never conspired to covertly undermine purely peaceful and legalistic reform movements? Judi Bari may have something to say about that.
spooky
Submitted by Yvonne de la Vega on
ewe. I hate to say it but you two, with the fake names...? you guys just walked into a net and are now hanging upside down with a trap around your ankles. because y'all just swooped right in, and like a puzzle piece you fit.
oh... gasp!
thanks for the info sue, you rock. looks like we got a couple here, eh?
"The Revolution will not be televised, it will be on Youtube." -Yvonne de la Vega
Wink
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Yvonne, Many people post using fake names. A lot of people do not like to use their real names for fear of being bothered by others. That seems okay. If people use a fake name so they can hide behind it, that is something else. Let's wait and see what they are up to. (wink)
Sue Basko, Lawyer
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Submitted by RanDomino on
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Psychological operations and infiltrations
Submitted by Antagon-X on
Thank you for this article, Sue!
Based on the comments I see here, it seems like some people don't understand why Occupy is being attacked and infiltrated.
Should we provide an explanation?
In my opinion any attacks to someone who is serious about this movement is an attack to the whole group.
Peace!
Reply to Antagon-x
Submitted by Sue Basko on
The attacks are happening nationwide to speed up the dissolution of Occupy protests by causing chaos and fear, and also to allow "radicals" and "professional protesters" to self-identify so they can be "caught" and placed in prison before the April G8 Conference.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
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Reply to "Nobody"
Submitted by Sue Basko on
To "Nobody": Sorry I did not see your post till now. YOu are correct -- OLA is about peaceful and constructive action. However, Occupy LA is still annoying to some people/ police/ officials, and so they are trying to bring about its end by instilling fear and chaos in the group. A very effective way of doing that -- and the way that has been done for the past few weeks -- is by having the undercovers start anonymous groups such as OOLASM and BLACKBLOCMEDIA. These are used to bring chaos and fear to the people being attacked. It is very successful in its aims-- which is why I called it out. People should be able to conduct peaceful, lawful protest without being harassed. Some of the OLA people who were attacked were placed in fear for their lives and safety. Others were confused, put on edge. Others were made to feel insecure, that this evil, anonymous twitter account was posting vicious things with their name on it.
In addition, such a group as OOLASM or BLACKBLOCMEDIA allows "radicals" and "professional protesters" to self-identify, thus making it easier for law enforcement officials to target them and quarantine them. One of the first posts by BlackBlockMedia was something like "Hey, we need to get all the Black Block people together on one twitter!" No actual Black Block person or radical or even a protest planner would ever in a million years say such a thing. That's part of why I say these accounts are obviously set up by infiltrators.
Let me explain WHY the government wants self-professed "Black Block" people disabled or quarantined. The G8 Summit is coming up in April in Chicago. The NATO conference is also being held soon in Chicago. Protesters travel from all over the US to protest the G8. Officials do not want radicals, Black Bloc, or professional protesters showing up -- and I can't blame them, because these groups are known to do millions of dollars in property damage, in addition to causing huge losses to businesses. The potential is also huge for harm to people or even loss of life.
Still in doubt? To start off, I suggest you read my other blog posts, starting with:
FBI Inflitrators in Protest Groups - which includes a link to a downloaded set of guidelines by the Dept of Justice on how the FBI is to infiltrate protest groups.
Fake Profiles used for Spying, Cyberstalking, Crowdturfing, which includes copies of the US purchase orders for software that creates realistic online profiles and histories and allows the user to run 10 personas at a time.
Once you are done reading, if you still have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Reply to "Ran Domino"
Submitted by Sue Basko on
To Ran Domino: Using a fake name to protect yourself is one thing. OLAASM and BLACKBLOCMEDIA are using a fake twitter name, and remaining "anonymous" so that they can attack people online. Each day, these accounts have viciously cyberbullied people from OLA and associates. The attacks are meant to cause fear, chaos, and confusion. The people being led to make the attacks are being told they are special if they attack the others in OLA. It is a wicked enterprise.
There are several other similar accounts nationwide doing the same thing. It is a coorindinated national attack against the Occupy participants. There is nothing "radical" about it -- it is mean, ugly, bullying.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Reply to Proletariat/ sorry never was a personal injury lawyer
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Reply to "Proletariat": Obviously you have been reading the defamation put out by OLAASM.
NO -- I AM NOT a Personal Injury lawyer, never have been, never wanted to be. Obviously some company wanted to try to sell me their website-making services and created a site they thought would impress me. They just got my "area of law" wrong. I have never seen the site, but I heard about it. i think they are trying to force me to PAY to change the info on the website they created "for" me. I have no interest in doing that.
I am a Lawyer for Music and Film. I think I am the ONLY lawyer that uses this category. Most say "Entertainment Law." However, I think of music and film as "work," not "entertainment." As part of this, I do website law, copyright, trademark, contracts, and other things having to do with music and film. I also know a lot about Zoning and Land Use Planning. I also know Protest Planning Law. I know quite a bit about Criminal Law, but do not practice in it.
Now, to your question: I also remember the incidents of the 1960s - 1970s - 1980s, very well. There was a LOT of deep, dark, terrible stuff that happened then - and young people today could not even comprehend it. I know very well what you are talking about. I was there, too, much moreso than you might think.
I am calling out the Psy-Ops maneuvers happening in Occupy LA because they are scaring people from participating in Occupy LA. MANY of the best people in Occupy LA have been attacked by OLAASM in an attempt to get them to quit participating in Occupy LA. I called it out to get it to stop so that the GOOD people of Occupy LA can continue on being peaceful and productive.
I hope you will help support the good people in Occupy LA during this tough time. Thanks.
ALSO -- let me add -- I may be a white woman, but I am a real good dancer. For real.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
As someone who has gotten 300
Submitted by lizsavage on
As someone who has gotten 300-500 emails in one day from one of these people involved, I can say who has time to email that much unless they are getting paid for it?
There have already been people we have found out were paid by banks to mess with us, and it wouldn't be any shock to find more.
I am sure some people we all know, and possibly even love are cops and feds, its just something you have to deal with and face when your an activist. And I truly believe those who are really with OLA are not out to do anything violent or hazardous to anyone.
Over the years I have seen many people who would show up and cause trouble through all kinds of activism I have been involved in, whether it be for marijuana rights, open space laws, land use rights, there are always someone or even a few someones who are always questionable and derail things. Or push for huge distracting projects that waste time, or create dissent, or just pass on false info, or even to quietly collect info.
We aren't doing anything illegal, but as activists we all know there are crazies out there, and others who try to take movements down by using their name to do bad things, or pin things on people who did nothing.
Its good to be aware.
My words represent myself and not Occupy Los Angeles. @lizsavage on Twitter
Right on, Liz
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Quite a few of the victims of the OLAASSM group have been in contact with me, and they all have similar stories to tell.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
300-500 emails
Submitted by prayn4peace on
.... I don't think receiving massive numbers of e-mails means they're getting paid for sending them. I think it simply means a disturbed individual has too much time on his/her hands. That happens (especially when you're involved in activism); you're right - just something we have to deal with. Simply because people are on the same page on issues doesn't make them instantly "get along" or behave rationally. As someone who works with peace and justice non-profits, we've seen our fair share of the "300-500 email" folks!
Stay strong and focused, Occupy LA! Awesome work.
hey
Submitted by Sue Basko on
hey
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not sure
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Hi,
A whole lot of Occupy LA-ers are sleeping on Skid Row or are otherwise homeless. A whole lot of them are doing without food, medical care, etc. A lot of them are sleeping tonight on the sidewalks.
As for me, I have never lived a fluffy bunny existence. I went to a college that I paid for 100% all by myself by working 35 hours per week while in college. I have been hungry and without MANy times in my life. I know what it is to do without medical care, dental care, heat, or a roof over my head. I also raised a child all by myself. I know what it is to have $5 and try to figure out how to buy food for 3 days with it. I know what it is to be delighted to find a dollar hidden in a pocket.
Don't make assumptions.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT ANYONE BREAKING OFF AND WANTING TO DO SOMETHING ELSE. They should just leave and be gone.
THAT is not what is going on -- there is a group within Occupy LA that is trying to cause harm to main participants of Occupy LA so that they become so afraid that they quit participating.
AS TO AWARENESS -- I AM VERY AWARE that non-White races are picked on by police far more often. I know they are also incarcerated far more often. I also know they are being foreclosed upon with greater frequency.
As for the Oglala tribes - I am happy they got into the casino and hotel business. When I was a kid, we used to go visit at a reservation that had a beautiful lake. I was shocked by the poverty I saw. The people lived in tiny shacks handmade of sheets of cardboard and tin. The little children ran around in only a little shirt with no pants or shoes. It was an eye-opener for me. After that tribe got a casino - they have nice houses, cars, and schools. My mother always said it was a sin to gamble - unless you were gambling to help a tribe. She helped many a tribe.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
thank you and an idea on urging people to get arrested
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Thank you for so whole-heartedly sharing your ideas.
I do think the Occupy groups need to conduct themselves without breaking any state or federal laws and without endangering property or life. If they do otherwise, several things happen: they put themselves at risk of arrest and prosecution, which can ruin lives; they can end out on the US list of domestic terrorist groups; and they alienate the broader base of people.
Can I try out an idea on you? I think urging people to risk arrest is a moneyed white male privilege -- usually only they are privileged enough to make it through an arrest unscathed. They usually have the money to bail themselves out, they are treated better in the system, can afford to pay a lawyer if they need one, etc. I think it is wrong for any protest leaders to urge poor people, people of color, young mothers, the mentally ill, the undocumented, etc, to try to get arrested at a protest. What they risk is many times greater than what a moneyed white male risks.
Keep in mind, Eugene Debs was a moneyed white male. Whatever risks he took held far less chance for devastating repercussions than if those same acts were done by a Black man.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
making a contribution
Submitted by frankc on
I feel a horizontal movement allows for each person to make their contribution at what ever place they are at. The only rules are that this is a non-violent movement and all decisions made at GA meetings and all other collective meetings follow a non-violent path. Non-violent tactics and methods appear to be open for discussion.I like the information in the book Art of War, because we often times are in battle with forces attempting to prevent our 1st amendment rights.Some people voluntarily go to jail to make a statement, while others trying their best to avoid arrests get thrown in jail on bogus charges.We need to have people free of incarceration in order to keep this movement alive.Occupyla does not have a hugh amount of money for bail and I'm not sure of the ability for false arrest lawsuits, etc. Today the LAPD and members of the armed forces had a joint exercise in our city.This movement is only a few months old and the process of learning how survive the daily attacks will make this a stronger movement. Sue's list of suggestions are not orders from the top but rather choices that may be helpful.I agree that one must be careful about pointing fingers. The police intelligence is always among us in many ways. People put up videos on you tube that the police can use for evidence. Most attorneys tell their clients to stay off the internet. We will learn how to coordinate arrests with public media that we have control or influence of.Our GA meeting our open and police in uniform hear every word that is said, but because we are non-violent and most marches have permits, most of what we do is public knowledge.Not everyone who gets angry and throws something at police is an agent, but agents have a long history of doing that.Not everyone who accuses a person or group of being provocateurs or cops is an agent, but that is something that agent have historically done.The 99% includes people with million dollar homes. Do we want them to stay away from this movement? All movements have a history of white privileged young people who have not experienced the role of the state in poor communities and communities of people of color.These people will change their views if they stay in these movements. I think we want that.I also think the first line of defense are for those communities in most need of help.The dominant ideas in the world are the ideas and culture of the 1%, they control all major media. We need to get our ideas , which are the truth, to the 99% and help flush out years of crap that have been shoved into their brains.
Thank you, Frank
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Thank you, Frank. And I especially want to thank you for caring so much about the man who had the trial the other day that you stayed and attended.
I am older and very experienced. It came to my attention that many people in Occupy LA were being victimized by the group running the OLAASM and BLACKBLOCMEDIA Twitters and Tumblrs. These people were afraid, they felt their lives and safety threatened. I looked at what was being posted and it was pure Psy-Ops stuff.
Liz explained above about getting many emails from one of the OLAASM participants. This person appeared "out of nowhere" after November 17. She went right to work on the OLA website, where i have been told (by several people) that passwords were changed, accounts were deleted, posts were switched around and deleted. The same person posts highly defamatory, inflammatory things on the list serve. Just today she posted to 3 list serves (aside from OLA listserv) saying that I call protesters "terrorists." This is bizarre defamation.
I helped start Occupy LA by doing legal research and groundwork before it began and heavily in the early days. Since then, I helped quite a few other Occupies to begin. I provide legal information for Occupy sites nationwide and worldwide. Please see my blog: www.OccupyPeace.blogspot.com
I DO NOT want to See Occupy LA die from the chaos and confusion caused by this Psy-Ops maneuver. THAT is why I called it out - now all the victims can relax, share notes, perhaps take legal action against the perpetrators, and share a certain clarity on who is doing what and why.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
sorry I fell for it
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Proletariat: Sorry, I fell for your earlier posts. I was taking you seriously. Now I see you are here to spew hate and bad ideas.
Please do not bother me again. Thank you.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Seriously... I think its
Submitted by lizsavage on
Seriously... I think its funny when people say they have spent no time in the occupy movement, but then want to claim they know whats going on.
YOU DON'T.
People aren't splitting because they want to go to a more radical movement, they are splitting because they are sick of being abused. And this has included some of the most radical people I have met.
The real radicals went to Oakland, OWS, or on tour. And using the word radical really takes on a rather dubious nature when it meansso many different things to so many different people.
Cops/Govs/Regular peeps- Thinks "Radicals" are dangerous
Radicals/Hippies/Fringe peeps- Think radicals are either awesome or crazy, depending on the group, activity, and time of day.
But if you want mayhem, go where the mayhem is... don't bring it here, I am sure with all these "trainings" and tanks rolling off the assembly line we have nothing to worry about... right?
My words represent myself and not Occupy Los Angeles. @lizsavage on Twitter
Amen.
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Amen to that.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Your Not A Threat to Those In Power
Submitted by JimBobForskin on
In 1967, 100,000 people marched on the Pentagon. Panthers were organizing poor people in ciites to defend themselves. The SDS have hundreds of thousands of students on college campuses all over the country. The Civil Rights movement had a diverse followers all over the country. Groups like the Weatherman and Motherfuckers were actively confronting the state. What was termed as the "left" had a massive following, not 1 group with a few hundred followers in some major cities, but layers of groups. Nor were they communicating online, they were in the streets and in the cities.
It is profound, profoundly delusional to think that a "cointelpro" opperation is being built to squash the 80 people show show up to Occupy LA GAs. Occupy LA does not really do anything. Thus, you are not a threat. The movement as a hole is not a threat? You know how we know that? The complete and total lack of legistlative response. The left in the 60's put such intense pressure on the government they not only had cointelpro but also had 20 years of progressive court deicisons in legislation. From Brown vs. Board of Education to the Clearn Water Act. I could fill up pages of legislation, from Community Action Projects to the Clean Air Act. Voting Rights Act to desegregation of public housing. Great Society to Civil Rights to creation of modern environmentalism.
Rhetoric aside, the government has not responded in anyway to any demands. While Obama announced its housing plan Freddie Mae was investing in the futures market against the legislation actually happening. You are putting no meaningful pressure on the government.
The population in the 1960's was less than a 1/3rd of what it is now. And protests back then had SIGNIFICANTLY more people. The peak of Occupy LA was the eviction and it drew 4000. 4000 in a region of 17 million.
Their is also no need for action to spy on you all because unlike radicals in the 60's, you post everything online. Nothing is a secret. They don't even need to show up to GA's, theyc can watch them on livestream.
If you know someone in the LAPD, ask them what they think of Occupy LA. You know what they think? They think it is a JOKE. They do not take it seriously in the least bit. They clear spaces because the city fears that middle class Occupiers will sue the city if something bad happens to them. It is all about liability, nothing about fear of your power.
Get over it. Come back down to reality. Chill with the egos and live in the real world. The sooner you do you will understand the task at hand. Preserving your positions of power within the movement to post things on sites is not worth totally destroying what is left. You can't blame dissidents within the movement who have a right to dissent, that is unless Occupy LA is not democratic.
Posts like this are no different than claims by the Syrian Government that "provecatuers" are to blame for the unrest. You either live in la la land and insulate yourself from valid criticism for power and career or you take note, address what people have to say, and not totally destroy this.
In the end when Occupy LA implodes, the leadership in the media committees will have to blame themselves. Cause you are to blame, the leaders, not the dissidents. Just like the 1% who crashed the economy, the 1% in Occupy LA are trying to shift responsibility for their failures elsewhere.
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