Morning Report: Social Services

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“Showdown” seems to be the word of the day as provocateurs continue to arrive for the purpose of instigating police responses. This appears to be a strategy, the fallout from the Oakland shooting providing a good example of how a few of these people can generate enough bad publicity to justify police action.

Oakland Cops say out now:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/11/us-protests-oakland-idUSTRE7AA...

Mayor Quan invites protesters to leave:

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/latest-updates-on-occupy-oak...

There are many anecdotal stories that support the view that the “problems” encountered by Occupy Wall Street protesters are strictly the result of a strategic effort by those who desperately want to end the Occupation Movement. They don’t like the marches. They don’t like their banks being closed down. They don’t like the message. So they have found ways to interrupt or interfere with the processes which are crucial to the organizational survival of the Occupation Movement.

The situation at Occupy Los Angeles has run into similar problems, all of them external, that is caused by people who have nothing to do with the Occupation Movement, that in fact don’t have a clue about any of the issues being discussed here. They only see free food, handouts and an opportunity to steal property when it is left unattended. We have social services arriving on November 19th.  Bringing people on-site who are equipped to handle the homeless and the mentally ill is the best we can do.  We are not a social services movement, but our camp is now comprised of hundreds of people who need these services.

Obviously, this sort of behavior is antithetical to all of the principles outlined so far by this and other Occupy locales. There is nothing to support the view that Occupy Los Angeles, or any other group, has an obligation to provide services or resources to those who have plenty of places to get them. There are many established groups and agencies that provide food and social services, none of which are political. Therefore, when these resources are used by people who commit crimes, interfere with General Assembly functions, cause police actions, or other acts that are counterproductive to the movement, they are welcome to visit those with the resources, and the mandate, to provide them.

They have no “right” to commit crimes under the auspices of the Occupation Movement. They have no “right” to be provided with food, clothing, tents or other resources. They have no “right” to do anything except demonstrate peaceably, petition the government, and participate in activity protected by the First Amendment.

Strangely enough, the voices that are at least in theory supporting the Occupation Movement are diverse and thoughtful.

Colin Powell remarks: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1111/68154.html

Bloomberg News observes that Wall Streeters are maintaining a low profile: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-11/occupy-this-occupy-wall-street-...

There will be more on these subjects later in the day. Unfortunately, those that have come here to instigate violence, steal property, disrupt meetings, or think that the Occupation Movement is obligated to provide social services, have begun to stifle the processes that are necessary for the organization to survive.

Temporarily.


“We ask for investigative action, and support all concurrent efforts by Treasury and Justice to hold accountable those parties responsible for the massive losses incurred by their procedures and practices. Specifically those practices that used artificial valuation or false pretenses to profit from the losses they intended to incur on depositors or investors, those that entrusted their money with them or their institutions.”

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Sue Basko's picture

Legal Info - Trying to add this as a Blog,

Hello - I am trying to add this as a blog but cannot even find my own blog on here.     Yes, my info has been BLOCKED from the Occupy LA Facebook and Twitter -- someone has worked overtime to keep you from having actual legal info on how to stay legal and peaceful.  I HOPE people will ASK why real Legal information is being kept from the people at Occupy L.A.  Who is benefiting from you not knowing the reality??   I KEEP PERSISTING because I have been involved in protest for years and I KNOW that people who are kept from information can be easily manipulated and misled.  You (all of you) deserve real solid legal  information and knowledge. 

   ANYWAY - here is the blog post as a Comment:

Occupy Peace - How to Plan a Peaceful Protest or Occupation

Legal Information blog written by a Lawyer, recommended by LAPD, Linked by Adbusters, Anon, How to Camp/ Take the Square, and now read by thousands all over the world.  Used as a guide by many Occupy protests.  Written specifically for the Occupy movement/ protests. Solid Legal Info FREE at your fingertips on the internet -- open and available to ALL.  

Topics Include:

PERMITS FOR PROTEST MARCHES

STARTING AN OCCUPATION PROTEST- LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS

TOP 7 THINGS THAT GET PEOPLE ARRESTED AT A PROTEST 

OCCUPY PROTESTS AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT

AGENTS PROVOCATEURS- WHAT AND WHO THEY ARE

25 WAYS TO OCCUPY WITHOUT CAMPING

TIME PLACE AND MANNER RESTRICTIONS ON PEACEABLE ASSEMBLY

OCCUPY LOS ANGELES LEGAL INFO

ARRESTED AT A PROTEST: HOW TO PLAN FOR IT

 

 

What happened?

I just want to throw my two cents out there. I've been coming to the OLA since day one, marched in some of the marches, and camped out as well. I've donated money, clothes, food, water, medical supplies, and more. I've defended the Occupation against people who say it is unorganized and unfocused. I've told them the goals will come, it takes time. Awareness is the first step. I was impressd by the different tents organized one by one....library, welcome tent, food tent, etc. All in one area. How the meetings had lots of poeple trying to make things better. Passionate people. I was excited for the movement.


But, after spending part of the day there today....I can't believe how things have regressed. The tents with servicea are scattered all over, there's more people partying than ever before. Everytime I asked someone at the tents I got different answers to the same question.


It has devolved into more of a party than anything else. I can understand slow progress, growing pains etc. but not for things to go backwards.  I saw far fewer people working towards the movement and far more just taking advantage of the party.


Now before you say why don't I go to the meetings and try to change things....I did try to meet up with some people to volunteer to help. They didn't show up. I told them where I was so we could meet....nothing. I've gone to many GA meetings as well.


Now, I'm disappointed that if the Occupation keeps this path it will die a slow death. I hope I am wrong. Let me repeat, I hope I am very, very wrong. I still believe in the Occupation, because the only alternative is to do nothing, which to me is NOT an option. But, I also think it is time for the Occupation to move to the next stage now that awareness has been accomplished, to getting more focused on a goal or two. The targeted marches, for example, are a great start. Bank Transfer Day was a success. Specific, targeted actions like that are what the Occupation needs. We want to go after the banks, the corrupt CEOs, the Federal Reserve, the corrupt politicians, so let's continue to do that.


C'mon folks...evolve as a group. We all need this to work!!! Thanks for reading this.

cryptomnesiac's picture

We're mostly on the same page

We're mostly on the same page, Chris. There are a few oddballs that want to micromanage City Hall into an ad hoc free clinic, in the hope of like, totally shifting the paradigm on privileged, oppressive patriarchal society, man!

Here on planet earth, we've been overrun by long-established victims of our cruel city, as well as its many predators and opportunists, and we just don't have the time, resources, or any obligation to fix every problem.

Give shelter to the homeless that want to be part of the movement, sure. But if we want to help the addicts, thieves, dealers, and the mentally ill, that can only happen by systematically strengthening the infrastructure that was dismantled in the Reagan era. If we succeed in forcing the government to resign itself to making moral decisions for once, everyone benefits. But that can only happen when we have a strong, focused, confident group.

There are plans being kicked around, I've heard, to reboot the movement, having learned the lessons of Occupation v1.0.

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