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if this was passed it would save us 123.5 Million dollars a year and do away with the electoral college, allowing us to make all the changes we need, please read and sign this petition, spread the word, this needs viral attention.
Online Petition - Please read and sign.
Submitted by n8tiveson on
Eh? No. I don't trust
Submitted by invictus99 on
Eh? No. I don't trust electronic voting just yet. And I rather think it's important to have a national leader.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
monarchy requires a leader,
Submitted by n8tiveson on
monarchy requires a leader, democracy does NOT, it requires voting, which no one but the electoral college and these 748 politicians do, and to be honest, a leader is someone to misguide, read it rather than just comment, think about the implications, the electoral college is why nothing gets done, as are those 748 men, without them in the middle, we can fix the rest. you have no voice as it is, time to change it, we don't need leaders, we need honesty.
Think about it, if you think you need a leader then you arent thinking for yourself, get real brother, were not invalids.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Sorry not onboard with this
Submitted by invictus99 on
Sorry not onboard with this and I doubt many of the 99% are. It's just not quite the world we live in yet. I love America. I love our government. I just want it fixed, not abolished completely.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
I don't want it abolished at
Submitted by Jasen T Davis on
I don't want it abolished at all, either. I want it fixed by replacing the current politicians with new ones who listen to the 99% of America.
We already have a government with laws run by people voted into office by you and I, not money, nepotism, cronyism or any other bad -ism.
What I mean is, these Occupy movements are working. You don't have to want to abolish the government to be involved.
The Founding Fathers of America new what they were doing, aside from the really bad racist laws. The government can have a massive revolution if everyone votes. Seriously. They planned it that way.
You can never abolish the government because we are the government.
So please, have faith and stay involved. Stick around and tell the anarchists why you love our government.
Right now the bad guys are winning because they trick the American people into not voting, every election cycle. That's it, period, end of story. The rest is propaganda.
People are waking up and voting. We've already won, short of them dropping hellfire missiles from Apache helicopters on us...and at that point there's probably no such thing as voting, so we may as well hang out with the anarchists.
Neither of us want that, so stick around and get people involved politically so we don't have to end up with anarchy.
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ok, lets break this down:
Submitted by n8tiveson on
ok, lets break this down:
I don't want it abolished at all, either. I want it fixed by replacing the current politicians with new ones who listen to the 99% of America. << you don't fix things by doingn the same thing wrong over and over, thats retarded.
We already have a government with laws run by people voted into office by you and I, not money, nepotism, cronyism or any other bad -ism. << with the electoral college in place neither YOU nor I actually voted on for for anything or anyone, your votes were nothing but tokens, thats why this is so important, don't think you voted for anything because the fact is that you DID NOT, ask anyone that understands the voting procedures and the electoral college and you trust, start with your parents maybe, look it up online, you'll see that I am right.
What I mean is, these Occupy movements are working. You don't have to want to abolish the government to be involved. << these movements are awefully immobile for being a movement aren't they? and also note that it did NOT call for abolishment,it called for modification into a real democracy built on one man one vote, thats rightful rule, and according to the wishes of our founding fathers :
When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
natural law, to understand this please refer to John Locke, the inspiration of our founding fathers, which you obviosly couldnt fathom to understand at thsi point to be able to say such things.
when you typed new i think you meant knew, i'm not sure what you really know brother. What I am proposing is what is just and honest, rule by voting, all men voting, not just the electoral college, you all shoot down what you don't understand. re-read, and think.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Fixed by replacing current politicians with new ones ...Dreamer
Submitted by alhs06 on
Yup, & I want Santa to bring me a pony.
The definition of Stupidity is doing the same thing over & over & over again expecting different results.
It's not changing the politicians that will make a difference. It's changing the way a politician views us, as soft ignorant lazy gullible & very forgiving. As an individual, Americans on the average are relatively smart. But collectively we are just plain stupid, which is constantly exploited. We fix our perception, we fix our problem, that is until we become complacent again.
alright, so YOU need someone
Submitted by n8tiveson on
alright, so YOU need someone to speak for YOU, but the only reason I can see a person to speak for another is when the original is incompetent, the native americans had a much better way, and their society lasted in excess of 6000 years, (closer to 7000 years now actually), unlike rome and its multiple fails, this will be the next of which, middlemen are never there to do good, we don't need them, we need honesty and democracy.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Now you are just being
Submitted by invictus99 on
Now you are just being inconsiderate and rude because people disagree with you. I won't waste any more energy on this.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
it isn't about being mean,
Submitted by n8tiveson on
it isn't about being mean, its about being honest to a fault, I am the 7th great grandson of Little Turtle himself, I know what freedom and Democracy both are, very well, and i see how to fix it.
look up the name little turtle in wikipedia, theres a picture of him as redone from memory from the lost Gilbert Stuart peice, which we lost when the british burned down DC in 1814, I know history well, my family has been here in this land for over 6800 years, how about you? no need to reply if you can speak for yourself though, so reply if YOU want to THINK for YOURSELF.
I'm not trying to be mean really, I just want you to see simple truth. no one needs a mouth peice, we need real democracy, you don't get that in a fake one like we live in now.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
It is possible to be honest
Submitted by invictus99 on
It is possible to be honest without being inconsiderate. In fact, one might argue that is a much better approach, particularly when you are having a polemic discussion.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
Nice point ther
Submitted by buforadriley on
agree with your opinion,possible to be honest without being inconsiderate.
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wasnt occupy the "Leaderless" movement?
Submitted by n8tiveson on
wasnt occupy the "Leaderless" movement? why the sudden change in you? cant trust in yourself all the sudden?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
It's not a leaderless
Submitted by invictus99 on
It's not a leaderless movement. It's a movement full of leaders. Stop being a troll.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
full of leaders meaning all
Submitted by n8tiveson on
full of leaders meaning all are leaders so why then must you also follow by allowing another control in the form of governship? that doesnt make sense..
you all havent thought about a thing you have said.. you sound like sheeple.. I'll pray for you, little more I can do but try to shed light of truth to you, sorry you can't see it.
when they come knock on your door at 4 am you can think of what i said. are we red, blue or yellow? I will be red I am sure, you will probably be yellow, but maybe blue, but one or the other, but you probably don't get that either... think its an insult and it is about truths, hidden and otherwise, open your eyes and ears and lastly, your mind, why must you have a leader in government, you would serve yourself best of all men, right?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
What are you suggesting? Just
Submitted by Mahayana on
What are you suggesting? Just a change in the electoral system of voting for president or the entire elimination of Representatives & Senators? I'm not disagreeing with you because I'm not sure what you are suggesting. Are you a proponent for anarchy & the complete elimination of government?
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
n8tiveson, el lleno de mierda
Submitted by alhs06 on
In other words,
there is in no way any way
Submitted by n8tiveson on
there is in no way any way you can attach a picture of me wanting control by building a 1 man 1 vote system.. you all need to rethink what your thinking, cause you all seem to have missed the point.. think for yourselves, escape the gene pool, if you can't do that.. at least get out of the shallow end.. i think you all might even be in the kiddie pool.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
n8tiveSon, I think our method
Submitted by Mahayana on
n8tiveSon, I think our method of voting needs an overhaul but I too would be hesitant to vote via the internet. I realize there is likely some fraud & rigging that goes on with the current system, but internet voting would only make it easier for people to falsify outcomes. I personally don't understand why when voting for President, direct democracy is NOT used. If anyone can enlighten me as to why that wouldn't be better, I'd appreciate it. For all other Federal issues, of course our elected representatives are better making those decisions than the average person. I love to follow politics but there is no way I have the time to become knowledgeable on the ins & outs of EVERY issue that's voted upon on the Federal level.
I have lost faith in presidential elections. I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils. I would like to think that those whom we vote into congress would speak on behalf of the people that elected them, but they all seem to be too busy raising money for their re-election campaigns. I have no doubt that our Government intentionally has it set up that way so they can continue robbing us blind without the interference of our representatives.
Our presidents no longer represent the people, they represent the corporatocracies that funded their presidency. If we don't get money out of politics, nothing will change. The constitution has been twisted and sometimes outright violated to facilitate their takeover of our government. I think the first step is to get our "representatives" to finally start working for and speaking on behalf of the people.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
UMM.. You all are still
Submitted by n8tiveson on
UMM.. You all are still avoiding the blatant truth, YOU ARE NOT VOTING at ALL< even when you are it doesnt coun't, you have NO representation, which means you have NO VOICE.. you all need to really think about the electoral college.. and what it does and what it really means and what REALLY happens when YOU VOTE, like the fact is that it gets THROWN OUT and IGNORED, it is just a TOKEN.. voting should be done on asecured site by account and double pass and records kept till after the vote in case of discrepencies, voting via internet is better than NO VOTE AT ALL. please research the electoral college.. you all arent grasping the obvious truth to it all.. you all would serve yourselves beter then anyone else will ever serve you, and we both know that is fact, and you can accomplish that just as i prescribed.. saves us ove 123,000,000$ a year, to put towards the national debt, a person in california on social security gets less than 1000$ a month, think a congressmandeserves 165,000 a year? you all really need to think about what your saying, and notice that my solution leaves no ONE person in charge.. no corruption, just a IT dept..which should be monitered 24/7
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
by the way, i forgot to
Submitted by n8tiveson on
by the way, i forgot to mention that every president since jimmy carter has been a member of the CFR (commision of foreign relations, the central bank).
when we have elections today you have one on each side, democrat and republican, no matter who you vote for, yours is replaced by whatever the electoral college decides for, irregardless of anyone elses opinion, the idea i gave is direct democracy, it is TRUE, what is happening today is NOT, it fails when complying to Natural law, as is stated in the declaration of independance, i am descended from a historical figure, i study much, i am no slouch, i have thought about what i have said very much, get someone who really understands to read it and explain, funniest part is those that were put out of work by nafta would be able to code these same people that sent their jobs overseas out of their own jobs.. LOL.. too funny.. so ironic isn't it?
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
CFR
Submitted by Mahayana on
CFR stands for the "Council on Foreign Relations"
Yeah, I know about the CFR. We all know how corrupt our government has become...that's why the Occupy movement exists.
By the way, I was agreeing with you on the electoral college thingie. I don't get it either.
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
Irregardless is not a word.
Submitted by invictus99 on
Irregardless is not a word. Just saying.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
We'd have better luck...
Submitted by ultrarad on
Getting supermajorities in Congress that work for 99% interests instead of hiring themselves out to the 1%. If plutocracy has an iron grip on Congress, the best President in history couldn't do that much for us.
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Radical also means staying critical and not drinking anyone's kool-aid.
well brad, when youy put that
Submitted by n8tiveson on
well brad, when you put that MIDDLEMAN in there, you know he is going to take advantage of you right? so lets do away with ALL the middlemen, we don't NEED THEM they NEED US, face the facts.
no administration to this day has ever been just brad, what I am suggesting is actually JUST, its that WE make OUR OWN kool aid ehh?
Besides, back when I worked in IT, they went to India, and the people there gave them all kinds of gifts, and fancy dinners, all kinds of stuff, to give work from tax paying americans to people in India to build middle class communities, meanwhile they disolved ours..
this REALLY REALLY needs done, for our childrens sake.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
this change i propose is the
Submitted by n8tiveson on
this change i propose is the change that allows us to make the other changes, this is the first step, you all should help, this is your solution, handed to you, you have the numbers, this solution is equality, it is the only way to fix the system, we dont need figureheads, they all work for the bank first off, let the banks pay them.. think about it, fire them all, they don't serve us..
middlemen only work for themselves, simple truth..
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
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