On the lack of “demands” which isn’t quite accurate, but the comment is a bullseye:
“Is the person that sounds the fire alarm also responsible for providing the water? Does a medical patient complaining of symptoms also have to diagnose the malady in order to get treated?
“The idea that only those with answers are allowed to ask questions is simply an argument for maintaining the status quo. It’s an objection posed by those who have a vested interest in maintaining the course.”
http://www.citywatchla.com/lead-stories/2432-occupy-la-faces-the-ultimate-opponent-a-jaded-audience
Robert Reich was the featured speaker yesterday, one of many notables that were on the card. The rain persists today, but there was no word of cancellations for today’s schedule. (Update: The speakers will be on south side of City Hall under a tent for your comfort and convenience):
The march on the banks went off as planned. You can watch the action at these links:
Intelecom:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn3X6XakMww&feature=youtu.be
OccupyLAMedia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxfDed488B0&feature=related
Thee is a rumor that the California Nurses Association will be marching on banks Thursday. Obviously, without nurses we’d all be either sick or dead, so this will provide us with an opportunity not only to support the Occupation Movement, but also the people who have made this possible.
I was going to do a piece about a phenomenon that has prevailed since the occupation began. By way of example, last night Someone absconded with a tarp that was protecting the electrical outlets from the rain. Of course, Nobody then showed up to take credit for it. This phenomenon is repeated countless times during a typical day. Somebody removes or edits comments from the website, and Nobody arrives to accept the credit for it. If this has happened to you, please leave a comment here with the original copy if you’ve still got it.
Instead of a thought-piece that corroborates what some of the other writers have already said, maybe it is time to look at the lighter side after a week of bad weather, missteps, political fallout, threats, two arrests, and more than a little carping and complaining about the cumulative effect of camping on the lawn in a high-crime area directly across from a police station.
Two videos surfaced this week. The Colbert video was featured at the Occupy Wall Street website, and it’s worth watching:
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/401092/october-31...
The other is also a riot, no pun intended:
To all of those that have found reasons to complain, hopefully you will remember the ultimate goals of the Occupaton Movement and the sacrifices that must be made to achieve them. This week, I am going to test the process by introducing this resolution. The only comment received was positive, from Rancho Larry, so what the heck, let’s see what happens. There is still time to hard-block it with a sensible comment here.
“We ask for investigative action, and support all concurrent efforts by Treasury and Justice to hold accountable those parties responsible for the massive losses incurred by their procedures and practices. Specifically those practices that used artificial valuations or false pretenses to profit from the losses they intended to incur on depositors or investors, those that entrusted their money with them or their institutions.”


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We ask for investigative action, and support all concurrent effo
Submitted by alhs06 on
"This week, I am going to test the process by introducing this resolution. The only comment received was positive, from Rancho Larry,"
1.~ Rancho Larry is wise beyond his years, & he's a real old bastard. BTW RL, you get my resume I never heard? ...(bastard) ...pmsl
2.~ I've been pissing n moaning on this forum for a month now to prosecute the Treasonous MF'rs, but unable to make it to the clubhouse to have my voice heard. So Damn it occupationblog, enough with the niceties & just spit it out would you? Daylight's a-burnin!
Excellent...
Submitted by jmd8800 on
This is the kind of content I have been looking for from our website. To me this provides a narrative of why we are here. The narrative is very important to any group of people. In the absence of *demands* we clearly need that narrative. Who went where.. who did what. If we do not have a narrative then many might feel like individuals with excluded voices. That larger narrative allows for people to belong to the larger cause, even though it is not clearly defined yet.
There are a million stories told everyday. We as a movement need to tell ours. Don't try to engineer any outcome.... just tell the story.
BTW... I believe I have had comments deleted.
"Since we don't know where we're going we have to stick together in case someone gets there." Ken Kesey
YESSSS! That is awesome. We
Submitted by invictus99 on
YESSSS! That is awesome. We have the "why" now we need the demands. This should be brought to the GA and this should be spread around to other Occupy cities to vote in their GAs. And then we should present it to the government. Have we thought about delivering paper petitions with a specific demand? The petitions for those union busting laws in Ohio and Wisconsin were a huge deal even if it is the conventional way. I think we should do if only to show the sheer amount of people who agree with something like this.
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. -Howard Zinn
Meh, to fire up the folks with torches and pitchforks maybe...
Submitted by ultrarad on
Demand this? Sure, though it requires refinement. Although it might fire up those so inclined to hang every (guilty) banker by the innards of every FRB bureaucrat, and although it does assault a basic sense of justice that these kleptocrats have largely gotten away scot-free, raking in bonuses both causing the crisis and processing the aftermath, spending all that much time and energy on this mitigates the plight of the 99% very little. It might increase our ranks, because many people want to see that criminal class pay, but that would likely be the most it could do for us, and comes at the price of spending that energy on anything that serves our aims better.
I've advocated claw-backs in the past, but a basic point on the economics: Even if we recover every last cent from every last banker who even thought about bending the slightest rule, it would backfill only a tiny portion of what the meltdown cost the country. Why? Loosely speaking, leverage. Backwards. These people were slicing and dicing billions in dodgy loans to collect tens of millions in bonuses. The billions were OPM, mostly with the FHA/Fanny/Freddie on the hook when the dodginess comes to fruition. The bonuses...theirs to keep. But the losses are many times larger than the bonuses. Further leverage (in this loose sense) derives from the fact that the impact on the economy is by now much larger than the sub-prime sector because of the falling dominoes that followed (employment, previously solid borrowers defaulting...and on, and on....)
But we already got the Obama administration answer, unfortunately, when Justice declined to pursue criminal charges against Angello Mozilo after he settled with the SEC, with bail-out recipient BofA reimbursing him more than two-thirds of the settlement fine, meaning that the prime mover of the mortgage meltdown retains both his freedom and 97% (instead on only 90%) of his net worth. (I was about to refer to him as the author, but authorship is at least shared with the Congress through repeal of Glass-Steagall [among other players and factors] which may well be why criminal charges were not pursued: it was in general if not in detail legal under the standing laws. If anyone knows of anything he could be nailed for under any specific provision of law then obtaining, PLEASE correct me...and, much more importantly, Eric Holder.)
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Angelo_Mozilo#Settlement_...
Other than perhaps as a recruiting tool, this strikes me as more of a diversion and perhaps a fool's errand. (I don't at all mean to imply that it is intended as such, or to call anyone a fool; I know that there's plenty I don't know.) Although there would be the argument that stiff and well-deserved punishment will deter future malfeasance, keeping our eyes on the ball means first and foremost changing the system so that these "financial innovators" can't hire Congress to write laws to suit them. In terms of modifying future behavior, that's far more important. But beyond that, fundamental restructuring of the financial sector would be worth serious thought as well. For those who don't already know this, a likely indicator of an economic bubble in the making is (faster-than-exponential) accelerating growth of the financial sector, i.e. when making money off of money displaces actual productive activity faster than any genuine economic growth naturally occurs and the financial sector in fact soaks up investment in itself. Wag the dog, writ large.
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In Agreement, With a Comment
Submitted by occupation blog on
The deterent aspect is less important than the information that becomes public as a result of the process. There aren't that many sources for reliable information on the misconduct of banking officials and financial advisors. Prosecutors, therfore, often provide the most useful information. The pending lawsuit by the City of Los Angeles is reliant on the results of federal and state investigations, for example. It was Geithner who said to expect "dramatic" law enforcement action. Let's make sure he keeps his promise. The release of information regarding investigative efforts serve the public. I don't see a strategic downside to such a proposal, but if there is, your input is valued.
How long will it last?
Submitted by souperduper on
How long do you think the Occupation will last? Do you think it will make it into the summer and beyond if demands aren't met and no change occurs?
As of today...
Submitted by jmd8800 on
this revolution is occupying peoples minds at the very least:
http://www.alternet.org/vision/152932/we_may_be_witnessing_the_first_lar...
"Since we don't know where we're going we have to stick together in case someone gets there." Ken Kesey
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