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Is anyone working on reseach and objectives? All movements need some type of declaration. Perhaps some coordination with NYC, DC, SF, et....you can reach me at wendelswerk at yahoo.com
wendel eckford
Submitted by wendel eckford on
Is anyone working on reseach and objectives? All movements need some type of declaration. Perhaps some coordination with NYC, DC, SF, et....you can reach me at wendelswerk at yahoo.com
wendel eckford
Research
Submitted by wendel eckford on
Is anyone working on reseach and objectives? All movements need some type of declaration. Perhaps some coordination with NYC, DC, SF, et....you can reach me at wendelswerk at yahoo.com
"All that is solid melts into Air"
Meeting tomorrow
Submitted by Aimee313 on
Yes, we are meeting tomorrow, Saturday, after the initial Occupying. I will make an announcement for the Research/Objectives committe to meet. Please join us!
<3 Aimée
objectives
Submitted by joyful on
There was a small bit of great coverage on KCRW today. There was admiration for a 20 something guy at Occupy Wall St who readily admitted he didn't have all the answers. What he wanted was finally, for the right questions to be asked. With the 99% theme already taking hold, keeping it simple will play really well for the media. So it's time to ask the question, "since the vast majority of Americans feel that there is far too much wealth and power concentrated in far too few hands, how do we extricate ourselves from this problem that is decades in the making?" That is at the core of most of our social ills.
forgiveness
Submitted by jubileenow on
We need a jubilee. Some countries of the ancient near east kept it. Every 50 years debt would be forgiven. This is the one most single thing that could unstagnate any economy. The corporations and the banks and the government has their hands aroung our throats. Image our financial system keeping a strangle-hold on us like Mubarack and Kadafi did on it's people for all those years.
jubileenow
No Debt?
Submitted by yawdro on
Rather than a jubilee, how about if we all stopped using credit cards? Cut up all your cards, pay off all your own personal debt, and you are much freer to make decisions... and the banks aren't pulling in 18% interest on your purchases. Personal responsibility is less sexy than forgiveness, but it's a much better idea. Just say "no" to financing anything, and you'll be amazed! My wife and I have been working on this for a while now, and we're "richer" because we're no longer paying out hundreds of dollars a month in Finance Charges and Interest. Now our money is our money. Not the bank's.
I hope we wake up before there's no one left to notice we're gone
You do know people can incur
Submitted by Fallout2man on
You do know people can incur massive debts because of medical bills of no fault of their own. Do you think a person chooses cancer because they're lazy?
Right now we have to face the facts, that the banks have committed essentially massive fraud and violations of actual laws including lying before congress. We are the reason they still exist, we bailed out their entire industry and they went on record for their bonuses this year. If they can do that, we should get something of equal value to what we lost in a settlement. So why not have then write off some of our debt now that they're sitting on record profits and have rebounded?
They aren't loaning to small businesses after all. Plus there's the euro zone crisis, might be a good idea for the sake of preserving everyone's economy so the world doesn't see a drastic drop in the standard of living for anyone?
Hello Aimee
Submitted by wendel eckford on
Hello Aime, not sure if I was able to see you today. I joined the Demands Committee. Can you help pass the word that we met and I posted meeting minutes in the Research section of Forums under "Demands."
Wendel
"All that is solid melts into Air"
Naming the Movement
Submitted by sarahadina on
I know branding is a bit of a dirty word, but I'd love to see this movement find it's name. There are a lot of great concepts in the mix, but nothing as sticky as "Tea Party." I don't think "Occupy__" or even 99% will be good names in the long run.
One of the most difficult things about progressive politics is the broad range of ideas. If we're going to be as effective as the Tea Party, we need to have a name and a message that is simple and easy to swallow. A strong name will go a long way in terms of making the movement digestable for the press. I think it could also be a great way to unify the message.
Of course, the other option is to encourage this movement to funnel into the Green Party, which I believe is the most well-known of the pre-existing left-wing parties.
Anyone have any ideas on this?
Re: Naming the Movement and relation to the Green Party
Submitted by Matt Demands on
Hi Sara, you bring up some good points. I just went to the Green Party website and read through their Party Platform. It pretty much directly aligns with MOST, if not ALL of the long term goals and objectives expressed during the protest yesterday.
Many people on the first day of the occupation yesterday expressed that they are fed up with our 2 party system. The Green Party at least has a fighting chance to make it a 3 party system, ha!
I am not a registered Green Party member, but back in 2000 I voted for Ralph Nader....probably my fault that Bush got in office.
At the very least this movement needs Green Party support and vice versa.
Everyone should take a look at the Green Party platform to help further ideas . http://www.greenparty.org/Platform.php
Green Party
Submitted by sarahadina on
I actually am a registered Green Party member, but I tend to then cast my votes for Democrats when it's a close-call situation. But, yes, I think the time is now to finally break the 2 party system. (and I think the Tea Party has given us this opportunity)
I'll try to contact some Green Party leaders... I feel like they should be invovled at least in some way in this movement and then, if a merger happens organically, wonderful.
I just want to make sure that this awesome energy doesn't fizzle or get written off by the main stream media as a bunch of disorganized hippies.
Political Affiliation is a bad idea
Submitted by alhs06 on
So Occupy is actually thinking of crawling in bed with the lesser of the three evil's? Political affiliation is tatamount to suicide for a group who want's all political parties & buisnesses to hear our voices.
As well as alienating millions of American's who could use a voice as this, but who may not want to be associated with any one party.Remember that a good majority of our people are unemployed or working for well reduced wages, so going into this excersise you knew funding would be limited at best. That is the only reason I can think of as to why it a merger was even mentioned, that or personal gratification & rewards for bringing us together. If any member of any party would tie their support to us for our affiliation & registration with them, then we don't need them.
Instead of staying away from reasons for the press, politicians & Buisness & Finance Leaders to pigeon hole us all with a stereotypical label such as a "Left Wing Liberal" or "Socialist's" or something crazy like that. We are going to hand them this distraction on a silver platter? Do you really think that planning a merger with The Green Party is wise.
Why can't we just be the Green Party for Occupy or The Tea Party or Democrats for Occupy, and keep Occupy & our simple philosophy intact & whole, Solidarity not Singularity. Or are some voices more valuable & desirable than the other's.
Your suggestion is one of which I would have expected the Republicans or Democrats to bring to the rally's in trying to fracture Occupies Solidarity. The only change we will ever see in going this direction is thje one to the name on our t-shirt's.
I was hoping I could finally trust a group of people with the same concern for Justice & Fairness for the common person, is it all only a heroic dream, I hope not.
Green Party
Submitted by lisaagreen on
I am a registered Green Party member, a current Co-Coorindator of the Green Party of LA County Council. I was in attendance on Fri night and most of the day Saturday. Other Greens were present and continue to be as well.
I'll be making another visit soon.
Lisa Green (yup my name by birth)
Lisa Green
Love is the strongest power in the universe
name for party...uh
Submitted by jubileenow on
Occupycongress!
jubileenow
I think Occupy__ works great.
Submitted by artdyke on
I think Occupy__ works great. Or Occupy Wall Street, if we need to nail it down. That's how it started, that's what's in everyone's heads, and ultimately that's what it's all about, regardless of what city we're in, Wall Street being the single biggest symbol of corporate greed and power.
Strategies Team
Submitted by Askari Ali on
Posted something similar last night but General Discussion has been removed.
I hope that I am not overstepping any boundaries here but I attended the Demands Committee meeting (I guess someone changed that to the Objectives/Research Team?) and General Assembly last night and saw that there is a HUGE need to create a Strategies Team. Currently and to my knowledge, there is not a group who is creating strategies on how to achieve Occupy Los Angeles' objective/demands. We need people who are lawyers/legal professionals, poitical insiders, former and/or current banking/investment personnel, former lobbyists, etc. to help us deal with the obstacles we will face in bringing our demands to politicians for them to act upon.
Thoughts any and everyone?
Askari Ali
Entrepreneur
www.AskariAli.com
"Changing the world is as easy as changing our minds."
Re: Strategies Team
Submitted by Matt Demands on
Hi Askari,
I think I can answer...The "Demands Committe" (as it was called) was created purely to solicit demands, organize the demands, propose demands, and eventually report back to the General Assembly for feedback and approval of an official list of demands that Occupy LA could present to the people, the press, and our policy makers.
We chose to place the online forum for this under the "Objectives/Research" heading, although it is still an officially sanctioned committie. It may get a name change tonite if the Genaral Assembly votes on the proposal of "Objectives Committe"
Regarding a "Strategies Team", I do believe that falls directly under the Objectives/Research Committee as well. Strategies for the implementation of these demands is exactly what the Objectives/REsearch team is doing...I believe. They will work in conjunction with the Legal Team I would hope.
tea party green party
Submitted by Strik9 on
I just want to say all this talk about the tea party being effective is a joke to me they were sponserred by the republican party and half the protesters were paid to be there its as fake as the whole political system and supporting the green party is as effective as screaming at a wall no party will do shit for anyone we need to protest every day and disrupt everything most of us like me have nothing and nothing to lose
Strik9
Submitted by alhs06 on
Amen Brother Strik9, amen
party party party
Submitted by sarahadina on
Unless this is simply a general, momentary outcry, we need to think long-term about how we can affect change in the system.
I think we're kidding ourselves if we ignore the impact of the Tea Party. They succeeded in pushing policy and political debate to the right. They also fractured the Republican party. Thanks to them, the time to end the two-party stronghold on politics is now. I only hope the Occupy movement can translate the passion on the streets into politcal power.
I hear a lot of talk and see a lot of signs that are anti-government, but I think it's important to remember that the government isn't the enemy. Corporate influence on government is.
In my opinion, the anarchists and conspiracy theorists weaken the message and do more harm than good.
Induced Brain Change, History & Economics
Submitted by empty on
2a.the Two-Step Plan to pay off the National Debt and stabilize the economy
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0B0rGe...
2b.Math & History
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qIhDdST27g
3. More History
Frank Dorell's the War Against the Third World: What I've Learned About U.S. Foreign Policy
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6171375275571061709#docid=80613...
John Denson's the Six Months that Changed the World
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzw0Ocjgl8o
Suggestions
Submitted by ClassAct on
• Recruit the homeless for permanent occupation and develop teams to serve their special needs. As government and society act to resolve their needs, occupation will itself be resolved.
• Urge the national government to restore the Bank of the United States, created by Alexander Hamilton under George Washington's administration. This bank, a regular commercial bank operated by the Treasury Department, was closed by Andrew Jackson effectively deregulating the banking industry. Banks printed their own currency with the result that by the Civil War, one-third of currency in circulation was counterfeit. To combat this problem, Lincoln created the Secret Service and set a new standard currency in the greenback under the Treasury Department to pay for the Union Army. Bankers sought to make monetary policy more conducive to their needs and the Treasury Department sought to wrest control of financial panics from the hands of Morgan and others, so the Federal Reserve was set up as a consensus-building organization to establish base interest rates and manage the amount of currency in circulation, essentially overseeing the lifespan of bills. This has resulted in the weakening of public interest considerations in monetary policy and to strengthen it, banks need to know that the government has an option besides bailout; banks that fail will be absorbed into the Bank of the United States. Their retail contracts (i.e., personal checking, savings, debit cards, credit cards, etc.) will remain in the bank along with their residential mortgage contracts (96% of which are already financed through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac), while their commercial, monetary instrument, and international banking contracts will be sold to private competitors.
• Single payer health care will dramatically lower national expenditures for healthcare and insurance while dramatically raising the standard of living for the whole nation. This measure together with the previous will break the virtual dictatorship of the FIRE sector of the economy over the rest of the economy, producing the greatest possible business stimulus to move towards full employment.
• Legalization of hemp will create a whole new economy based on an infrastructure no longer dependent upon petroleum. The diversion of energy technology, together with the downstream products from the petroleum to the hemp industry will move hundreds of billions of dollars of business from the oil industry, eliminating our need to make the international petroleum trade a "vital interest" requiring military intervention throughout the world, and in particular the Middle East. The occupation at home can end the multiple occupations abroad by making this demand.
• The "dismal science" of economics is not a science at all because it substitutes the exchange of labor, which has a measurable flux, for the exchange of "value," the boundaries of which are nebulous. <i>Wealth of Nations</i> establishes labor as the source of economic value, however, labor can be calculated through a science called thermodynamics, which is governed by two laws:
1) Energy is neither created nor destroyed, but changed from one form to another.
2) All transactions occur at a loss.
The second of these laws renders impossible the notion of profit as a "surplus labor," and it therefore follows that profits do not inhere in the "value" of a transaction, but in the lack or inequity of compensation for some participants in the transaction. Compensation of any amount is only offered, in fact, where the law deems it necessary, and then only to the standards the law establishes.
I am keeping my fingers crossed for Occupy and will do what I can for them. I invite one and all to visit my web page where I have written about these and other related matters:
http://http://home.roadrunner.com/~markwrede/
Thank you.
ClassAct
Thoughts on a Step 2
Submitted by Fallout2man on
Okay, well two things. If this is a prolonged occupation maybe we need to first see if we're coordinating just for ourselves or how we link up with others. Is this a democratic hive mind, do we have representatives, what? If we're acting as a whole we need to move immediately to centralize all of our numbers across the country. We'll never have as many as we will right now.
Then we can all start maybe figuring out how we'll even collectively issue demands or statements. To gain max legitimacy we need to speak in a single voice despite representing many things. Once we have that process down then we should quickly refocus the group on crystallizing specific goals or demands we can immediately issue. In short we need to speed this whole thing up to a (very peaceful) boil very fast.
Another thing, if we're all allying maybe we should all issue declarations for each occupation, but add that we are all part of the 99% at the end? (keeps it unifying, like a wave.)
I don't know how many of us we have. But what if we all pooled our money to buy ad time to basically sell the country on a constitutional amendment? We can do it like the 21st through state conventions. That's basically one person one vote and lets we the people bypass the parties. Either way it's absolutely vital we set up a command and communications process by which every one of the occupations can work together to present a single front. If we are really a "movement" then we need to be like the Borg, a collective of individuals that is able to determine its needs by consensus but speaks to the outside world as a single entity. I think that'll be the best way to quickly turn numbers to power. If we haven't already it's vital to do this, after that we can then begin a process to collectively determine demands or future objectives.
I vote for these, Whose with me?
Submitted by Rancho Larry on
Catch Phrase/ Rally Cry: DO THE WORK!
Proposed OWS Mission Statement:
We the people MUST NOW take the responsibility to implement Fair and Just (or if you want insert Fair and Balanced instead of Fair and Just, OK with me) Mid-Course-Corrections to our Democratic Republic. We MUST move away from Fear and Scarcity based decisions. We MUST move immediately toward decisions arrived through a Fearless and Abundant based processes, as decided by an educated electorate with a 99% participation rate (and remember anything less than a 60% reality is not an option).
See my other Do the Work posts for background Thanks
Rancho Larry
Gonzo Journalist, Senior Grade
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