Why The Zeitgeist Movement should absorb The Occupy Movement and Move towards a True Economy.

Submitted by Well_Red on

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The Zeitgeist Movement's principle focus includes the recognition that the majority of the social problems which plague the Human species at this time are not the sole result of some institutional corruption, scarcity, a political policy, a flaw of “Human Nature” or other commonly held assumptions of causality in the activist community. Rather, The Movement recognizes that issues such as poverty, corruption, collapse, homelessness, war, starvation and the like appear to be “Symptoms” born out of an outdated social structure.

While intermediate reform steps and temporal community support are of interest to The Movement, the defining goal here is the installation of a new socioeconomic model based upon technically responsible resource management, allocation, distribution through what would be considered the scientific method of reasoning problems and finding optimized solutions.

This “Resource-Based Economic Model” is about taking a direct technical approach to social management as opposed to a monetary or even a political one. It is about updating the workings of society to the most advanced and proven methods Science has to offer, leaving behind the damaging consequences and limiting inhibitions which are generated by our current system of monetary exchange, profits, corporations, and other structural and motivational components.

In 2008, an independent film called, “Zeitgeist Addendum” hit the Internet and went viral just as “Zeitgeist” had in the previous year. Though both films are directed by the same person, only the second film, “Addendum” actually has anything to do with the global sustainability advocacy group known as The Zeitgeist Movement. Most recently, “Zeitgeist: Moving Forward”, has hit 12,000,000 views on a single YouTube channel and The Movement, abbreviated as TZM, has been growing and hosting Town Hall meetings around the world.

The Zeitgeist Movement's Townhall Meetings are live, public events conducted by official regional chapters worldwide. These are community forums for the public to engage TZM advocates & coordinators about the understanding to the social solutions proposed and a global, RESOURCE-BASED ECONOMIC MODEL (RBE). These monthly events serve to provide a grass-roots, personal engagement to continue the momentum and interest in the resolving ongoing social problems.

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Submitted by johnoccupyself on

DUDE (well red), you're pasting the same text under different thread headings? looks like spam!


 


although i agree with TZM completely, please, you're being a little pompous now. the other thread is...absorb OLA? what's next...'if you are not with us, you are against us?' LOL


amidoingitright...?


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Submitted by Well_Red on

absorb
Part of Speech: verb
Definition: mentally take in information
Synonyms: assimilate, comprehend, digest, follow, get, get into, grasp, incorporate, latch onto, learn, sense, soak up, take in, understand

Sorry guys, just trying to build a bridge towards a true economy, have you even looked into the value system and the socioeconomic structure we advocate? And "cult" whoa... Sounds a bit like FOX and friends calling Occupy a bunch of dirty, lazy drug addicts etc.

Enough of the Prima Facie association, we're all in this together guys.

SOLIDARITY FOREVER

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Sorry, but I don't think

Submitted by Mahayana on

Sorry, but I don't think anybody here wants to be "digested". Perhaps you meant to say "Why the Occupy Movement should absorb Zeitgeist knowledge"?

"have you even looked into the value system and the socioeconomic structure we advocate?"

Yes, I think most people here are familiar with the Zeitgeist ideology. The similarities between the two movements are that we both agree that there is a worldwide mis-allocation of resources and that we have a flawed economic system. The occupy movement isn't about ideologies though. This is a movement that takes real issues that we are facing now and through dialogue coming up with strategies on how to fix our broken system. Yeah, we get that there's enough food to feed the planet although people are starving in third world countries. We have the inequality of the 99% VS the 1% here in our country. We are addressing that. That's why we are here. I don't know what wisdom you think the Zeitgeist movement has that Occupy doesn't. Peter Joseph spouts some pretty vague, and what are to me obvious ideas & beliefs, and scores it to some new age music. Suddenly people feel that they are oh so enlightened. I agree some of what the film speaks about but the idea of this world-wide effort to ration out resources through this autonomous cyber-society just really creeps me out. Like crypto said, it is kinda cultish. I probably would have a more positive outlook on it if I hadn't heard an interview with Peter Joseph where he came across as a total asshole.

The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe

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If you have a specific

Submitted by Mahayana on

If you have a specific zeitgeist ideology that is pertinent to this movement, feel free to share but please do not spam. It will just turn people off to you & your movement. Just remember, unlike the Zeitgeist movement/ideology, this movement is very action oriented so it is best to share ideas on things that can be implented into action.

The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe

My Apologies Guys, I do love you all...

Submitted by Well_Red on

I apologize for what seems to be spam but I was more so just really lame at figuring out how to best post what I felt to be helpful but it is a lot of information to understand when it comes to understanding that the technology is available to raise the standard of living of every living organism on this planet yet we, myself included, are still very conditioned by our culture it seems to cling to an "identity" which has been essentially built by the system we seek to change collectively; one that has been misguided by many centuries of violent tribalism and competition due to scarcity of resources, religious or political ideology etc.

Unfortunately, Martin Luther King Jr. is still as correct today as he was when he stated the following:
“I am convinced that if we are to get on the right side of the world revolution we as a nation must undergo A RADICAL REVOLUTION OF VALUES. We must rapidly begin to shift from a thing oriented society to a person oriented society.”

I am proud of Occupy and grateful for the change in the national and even global conversation that is a direct result of such people power in "action". But as you can see, while the conversation may have shifted, the machine is still in tact and more and more corruption is being discovered on a consistent basis. Our political system is an auction in which the winner is the top fundraiser 94% of the time. I support a Constitutional Ammendment to GET MONEY OUT of politics outright! Also, I would suggest watching "Collapse" by Michael C. Ruppert ASAP.

Nature is a dictatorship and sooner or later we're all going to have to come to terms with this simple truth. The only way we can thrive and the only way we have ever really evolved socially was through the advent of technology no matter how primitive, and most recently, mechanization, automation as well as the scientific method of solving problems and understanding that the planet has a natural system that we have to strategically care for otherwise WE'RE ALL FUCKED for the lack of a better term, "Extinct" how about that, that's a less belligerent word lol.

Peace and Love Occupy!

*ACTION: Please come to the next ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT TOWNHALL MEETING for dates, locations and other information visit ZMCA.ORG

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"the technology is available

Submitted by Mahayana on

"the technology is available to raise the standard of living of every living organism on this planet yet we, myself included, are still very conditioned by our culture it seems to cling to an "identity" which has been essentially built by the system we seek to change collectively"

The Zeitgeist movement takes issue with people having an identity? Wow, I'm really not trying to be mean, but I don't think you could come off as sounding any more cult-like. So once we let go of our identities, you want us to succumb to the church of Zeitgeist and join the collective consciousness that will magically, through just awareness of the idea, usher in an age of technological utopia where machines serve us and the .001% steps down and gladly hands over access to resources so we can live happily ever after? 

Sorry, but I would like to think my identity is independent of the society in which I live.  It is the fact that we cling to our identities which allow us to come together and stand up to an oppressive system which is hell bent on trying to take away our individual rights.

I am all for improving our lives by using technology to find ways to minimize our impact on the environment (solar power, alternatives to gas etc...) but I have no desire to live in a world where we become dependent on technology to manage our daily lives, down to how we access food. I think as it is, we are overly dependent on computers and automated systems.

Widespread governance gives way to widespread corruption. Our system is not flawed, (imo) it is the people who run it who are flawed. Our founding fathers designed the constitution so that the government was a non-intrusive entity whose powers were limited to facilitating the needs of those states which make up the Republic. The government was originally to be by the people for the people. It of course has mutated into something very different, but that is exactly why Occupy came into existence - to attempt to take the power back from the hands of the greedy few. The zeitgeist ideology is actually not too far off from what the founding fathers had in mind. Government and politics are essentially dealing with the allocation of resources (just on a smaller scale). I don't think the majority of them would have ever wanted this huge gap between the haves & the have nots.

All views are welcome here but you should really discuss issues independent of any ideology. Throwing out a few vague ideas and saying "come to our meetings" to learn more is just a little too religiousy for my taste. People would take you more seriously if you didn't end your messages with an invite to join your organization. If you have such revolutionary ideas, you should be able to chime in on existing threads & discussions. Otherwise it's just spam.

 

The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe

Smh

Submitted by Well_Red on

FYI the government "our forefathers" envisioned died with the US Greenback. And even in their view, the idea was to constantly improve and refine the structure of our democracy to suit the people. I find it hilarious that slave owners were so hellbent on being free but they too could not escape their societal programming. It's almost 2012, I'm blown away by how far behind our own technical capabilities we actually are as a society. It's obvious that many people still haven't grasped the corrupt nature of the monetary market system which actually always ruled above the ideals of the patriots wether we want to admit it or not. Money and wealth rules politics, it always has... The idea that it is people that are corrupt and not the system is false. The system is what has programmed the people that uphold it, "self-appointed defenders of the status-quo" I call them. In the end, fighting will solve nothing and only through observation can we truly begin to realize what we're up against as a planet. It's bigger than any so called individual freedom, which by the way doesn't exist in the romantic way people like to talk about it. How is anyone more free than their purchasing power? Less money means less freedom in this paradigm... Sorry...

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Are you joking?

Submitted by cryptomnesiac on

You think I didn't understand your use of the word? I understand it all too well! And I'm disgusted by the cheek of it. You have a lot of nerve marching in with your new age cult, and thinking you have a captive audience of naïfs eagerly awaiting indoctrination.

If you want to discuss your views with someone, feel free, but don't presume to come from nowhere, and dictate how things ought to be. 

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Submitted by Well_Red on

I mean no disrespect brother, I'm not any "cult" member lol, but I am aware of how strange TZM can appear to be because it is the only volunteer movement of it's kind. The only one, that I'm aware of, that seeks to reach a critical mass of awareness that understands the root causes of the problems we face as a human family on this mother earth. While there are many great activist organizations doing great work no doubt, in my observation they're only allowed to be as effective as there budgets. This is how occupy has been different and I love that, it really is grass-roots and it's only going to grow, just as The Zeitgeist Movement will continue to educate and advocate for a sustainable social structure and a true economic system that actually takes care of people's needs rather than exploit them for $ like we always have and do now more than ever :(

Please come to the next TZM TOWNHALL MEETING check ZMCA.ORG for the next date/location etc.

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