We, OccupyLA, agree that the legal state of affairs at many occupation sites is unacceptable. Mass arrests are numbering in the thousands across NYC, Boston, San Francisco, Chicago, Denver, San Diego, Long Beach and many more cities. The charges include, but are not limited to resisting arrest, illegal encampment, loitering, violation of health codes, violation of safety regulations, violation of city codes of conduct in public parks, trespassing, and the list goes on. However one thing is clear, these laws are being used to suppress our first amendment rights to assemble for the purpose of peaceful public demonstration. These constitutional rights are guaranteed federally and must be respected above any local city code.
What we have in common is that occupations all over the world have been prohibited from peacefully gathering to carry out general assemblies. Be sure, it is not our conduct that has led to these mass arrests and dismantling of encampments, but rather it is the loss of public space that has caused this situation. This fact alone should be alarming to all governments that claim to represent the people. The foreclosure of public squares and their sell off to developers of shopping malls has greatly limited the space of public speech. The public square should never be closed to the public like it was one of these shopping malls. Free speech has no clock.
Therefore, we have made the determination that we support the public use of public space. For too long no public has existed because we have lost our voices to governments who have sold our public interests to private business. We are reclaiming that voice. We assert that the public use of public space is the right of the people. We will retain this right until such time that occupations are no longer necessary. At such an hour, the whole world will resemble an occupation.
As agreed upon at the General Assembly,
OccupyLA 10/18/11

17 Comments
Public Space
Submitted by Koko883 on
Wow! GA, good job -- defending our constitutional rights against the cabal that would privatize everything, including us. This is going to be a long road, but we are one and committed (and for all the "radicals" of the '60's and the unemployed), have plenty of time to be obnoxious.
What will U tell UR grand kids?
When did Herman Cain start
Submitted by Mahayana on
When did Herman Cain start posting on here?
The legitimate object of government, is to do for a community of people, whatever they need to have done, but can not do, at all, or can not, so well do, for themselves - in their separate, and individual capacities. -Abe
The best country
Submitted by samsmacdaddy on
You state, "Compared to almost every other country on this planet we live in the best one." This statement begs the following question: What other countries have you lived in that you can be a judge of the best country? Oh, I thought so.
Kerry Koerbling
ahh, the American
Submitted by jpage98 on
ahh, the American Exeptionionalsim argument.
if you took the time to open your own eyes you might find that this country was built on the backs of working people who went to great lengths to ensure future generations would have a better life.
OWS is simply the most recent of the many struggles, protests, and movements that shaped this country for the better.
Now get on your knees and thank these people, as well as the countless others from the past, that allowed you to spew your ignorant vitriol in this, "the best country on earth"
Don't respond to a troll
Submitted by Corporal Thing A. on
Let us gather to re-inforce the right and tradition of a COMMONS. This is integral for a free peoples. Repressive regimes throughout history have sought to control or outright ban public assembly. It was one of the charges that the British were trying to arrest Sam Addams and other patriots for in their march to Lexington/Concord ( illegal assembly ),
There is a reason why the right to peaceably assemble was written into the very First Amendment to the Constitution, along with freeom of speech, freedom of press, and freedom of religion.
Corporal Thing A. 'Civilizationalist'
Corporate Mortgage Fraud / Fictional Identities
Submitted by Jesikamay on
Buyer, Seller, and Borrower's names in Southern California real estate records are often Fictional Identities. These fictional names that appear to be individual human beings sell to each other, finance through Corporate Trusts, and take out many loans ultimately resulting in foreclosure or underwater values. You can read more about it on my blog:
http://bradandjessie1970.blogspot.com/
The Constitution
Submitted by wheelboy2 on
I find it amazing that the very people who take an oath to uphold the constitution of the United States are the ones who will break that oath. I guess we just don’t take the constitution seriously anymore. I always felt the the Constitution was more powerful than a few infractions or a few men's opinions.
Repeating itself
Submitted by alhs06 on
History has a way of Repeating itself, seems we have had this problem of Greed by the 1% since the inception of the Constitution, and, why did we start the Revolutionary War for our Independence in the first place?
Hint, Boston Tea Party, Taxation without Representation ...kind of linked to a certain type of Greed to a certain percentage of people not even residing on this side of the ocean.
During the advent of the industrial age, the start of the 1900's, we had problem's with corrupt politicians being bought off by the Industrialist's, Google it.
Again in the onset of the Great Depression, we also had Greed & Corruption problem's we finally overcame by political action and legislation that protected the public from the mess the Financial Institution's brought us to our knees over, Google it.
Again in 1999 with the legislative act, known as The Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act (GLB), also known as the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, that repealed the very Legislative Act put into law in the midst of the Great Depression, the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company. With the passage of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies were allowed to consolidate. Again, Google it.
Nice job in selling out The 99% to the following politician's, U.S. Senate Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the U.S. House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa). The third lawmaker associated with the bill was Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-Virginia), Chairman of the House Commerce Committee from 1995 to 2001. Also to President Clinton (D), for signing it into law.
History always repeats itself.
Hr 1489 Return To Prudent Banking Act 2011
Submitted by emwoccupyla on
Rep Marcy Kaptur has for the third year running introduced a bill to restore Glass-Steagall. OLA should support it with a letter writing and petition campaign. Simple but the End The Fed people see it as wrong and will block it because they see no other option other than their own. Pushing for reform is reasonable but could never gain traction at OLA because of the concensus voting model. It takes only one obstructionist to block everything. Good luck doing anything until a 90% model is adopted. Nothing gets done at GA anymore, too bad, that is why I probably will not bother to come anymore. Namaste.
Yes!
Submitted by roque on
Let's excersize our Constitutional rights over all other laws.
Big Fan
Submitted by ctizzie on
I'm a big fan of #gettingshitdone. In that regard, I want to offer my sincere appreciation for the efforts of OccComm to "do what they say and say what they do." You said you'd post "that shit in bold and italics." And dammit - you did! And quickly.
Thank you for restoring my faith in the notion that we can #getshitdone.
Permanent Protest
Submitted by christmeal on
The perpetual War Machine isn't grinding to a halt any time soon. In fact, the wheels appear to be spinning faster. Meanwhile poverty is increasing, and people have nowhere else to go. Freedom is an illusion, and so is the law, which guarantees freedom. We are only free when we assert ourselves, and live as if we are free, according to the law of nature, which cannot be broken. It can only be manipulated. When we are accused of breaking the law, of being criminals, we have merely proven that the law is a manifestation of the mind, a falsehood, which firm believers impose upon those who disbelieve, always using force, or the threat of force. Always, those who believe in the law enough to enforce it are being paid lots of money, compared to free men women and children, especially children, who scoff at the law, crossing the invisible line and breaking it.
We are accused of making no demands. This is ridiculous. There is one Unspoken Demand implicit in all our actions. We demand the right to do what we are doing. We know it is illegal, according to the letter of the law. That's why we're all a little bit afraid. The Law is False and Immoral. Who has the courage to confront it?
Everybody needs a place to live. There is enough room on the lawn of every federal building in the country for all the homeless to pitch a tent. It is a necessity and a great joy to be able to live freely on the lawn of City Hall. Doing this, we have formed a new and better government. We can, and we must, only declare a state of Permanent Protest, in order to preserve the new governement we have established on the steps of the old.
We are 100%!!! Everyone is a microcosm of the whole Universe.
Yes!
Submitted by roque on
OLA is taking the best step towards being free and for the people; I support your cause. Let's all excersize our Constitutional Rights!
Time, Place, and Manner.
Submitted by Weekend Warrior on
Legally speaking, first amendment law allows governments to create reasonable regulations of the time, place, and manner of speech, as long as such regulations do not descriminate based on the content of speech. Sounds good, right. The U.S. Supreme Court, however, has been quick allow cops to use this rule to smash demonstrators in a park, but not apply this time, place, or manner test to money. Money is speech, they say, and cannot be regulated at all. And Big Corporations with tons of money, are really just people speaking an awful lot.
If money is speech, than OCCUPYING should be speech as well. Every person camped out is a word, just like every dollar is a word. Who will talk loudest? Money or people?
Tom Burns, raroof3@gmail.com
Time, Place and Manner Restrictions are legal
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Time, place and manner restrictions on the right to assemble are legal if they are done in the least restrictive way to promote safety or welfare or a State interest. Parks can close at night. Camping can be not allowed in a City.
I am a lawyer working with several of the Occupy groups nationwide to help them form legal encampments. I write a blog on these issues. I have a blog post specifically about "Occupy Protest and the First Amendment" This covers the topic in depth. http://occupypeace.blogspot.com/2011/10/occupy-protest-and-first-amendment_24.html
If you are going to complain about something or write about the law, it is nice if you learn about it first! Please read the blog because I do explain this issue in detail. it is there to educate and inform you, if you want to be educated and informed. Thanks.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Time, Place, and Manner Restrictions on Peaceable Assembly
Submitted by Sue Basko on
Time Place and Manner Restrictions on Peaceable Assembly
by Sue Basko
There seems to be a lot of confusion or misinformation in the Occupy movement about the First Amendment right to peaceable assembly and how that interacts with the right of local governments to place Time, Place, and Manner restrictions on those assemblies.
Time, Place, Manner. The local governments and their entities (States, municipalities, counties, parks, schools, universities, airports, public transportation, departments of natural resources, etc) can make rules that control the right to peaceably assemble in public places as long as the ordinance is narrowly tailored to achieve a compelling government interest.
Content Neutral. The laws must be content neutral. Content neutral means the rule applies to all groups, regardless of their message.
Not Vague. And the laws must not be vague. That means the law must state specifically to what categories it applies and how. To be non-vague, a law must be very specific. For example, a law cannot say “large groups” must get a permit; it must say “groups of 25 or more” must get a permit.
Public Property Only. Keep in mind, the First Amendment is between citizens and the government. Therefore, the right to peaceably assemble is on public property only.
Camping: Most municipalities disallow camping except in actual campsites. That’s because campers need things such as toilets, drinking water, showers, benches and tables, a turf or area on which to place a tent, fire pits, safety and security measures, etc. Therefore, almost no (or no) municipality allows camping on a street, sidewalk, plaza, or in a general-use park.
Due to a court case settlement meant to give the homeless some place to legally sleep, Los Angeles allows sleeping on the public sidewalk between 10 pm and 6 am. That is not exactly camping.
During the Occupy protests, some municipalities are granting special permission to the protesters to have tents and sleep in parks or plazas. This is not being allowed as “camping,” but as part of a protest that is being conducted as “occupying.” Because I am pro-Occupying, at least for limited time periods, I think it is wonderful that some towns and cities are cooperating. However, the damage being done to parks and plazas cannot be denied, since these spaces were not designed or constructed to accommodate the needs of tent residents, whether campers or protesters. Looking into the future, what happens when another, less popular and less desirable group decides it needs to protest by occupying the parks or plazas? Will their tents be allowed? I doubt it. And I think this will lead to lawsuits and lots of trouble.
The U.S. Supreme Court ruled in Clark vs Community for Creative Nonviolence (1984) that sleeping in tents does not have to be allowed as part of protest. From the other viewpoint, if a municipality wants to allow sleeping in tents as part of a protest, they are free to do so, but they are setting a precedent of allowing this for one group, and thus for all such groups.
Masks: The famous mask of Guy Fawkes and V is for Vendetta has been adopted by Anonymous and anyone cool, really. The mask is the 2011 equivalent of the 1969 hippie beads. However, some states or municipalities have laws against wearing masks in public. New York has a law prohibiting two or more people gathered wearing masks, unless they are holding a masquerade party. Lots of mask-wearers have been arrested at the Occupy Wall Street protests in New York. Check local laws. Some places have laws that turn an assault into an aggravated assault if the assailant is wearing a mask or something that conceals identity. "Assault" is a catch-all category that can mean any harmful physical contact.
Disorderly Conduct: States and municipalities have laws against disorderly conduct. Even if your protest is legal, any person’s actions maybe illegal if they are disorderly. In some places, such as Chicago, not following police directives to disperse is disorderly conduct.
Unlawful Assembly: California’s law, quoted below, is typical. An assembly is no longer peaceable or legal if it is done in a manner that is violent, boisterous, or tumultuous. When an assembly crosses this line will be open to wide personal interpretation. If people are shouting or running around, it would be easy to call an assembly boisterous or tumultuous. California courts have interpreted boisterous and tumultuous to mean that it may imminently turn violent.
California Penal Code Section 407. Whenever two or more persons assemble together to do an unlawful act, or do a lawful act in a violent, boisterous, or tumultuous manner, such assembly is an unlawful assembly.
Flash Mobs: Flash mob protests are probably "unlawful assembly" wherever they happen, and even moreso if masks and running are involved. If what you are doing is likely to scare people or make them think a place is under attack, then you must know .. it is illegal.
Closing Time: In most municipalities, parks close at night. Some public plazas may close at night, if there is good reason for this, such as for safety or cleaning. Most public sidewalks are open all night. However, that brings us to sound.
Sound/ Noise: Most municipalities have restrictions on sound or noise out on the streets. Many places have laws that restrict the use of sound amplification systems. Check the law before you go using megaphones or an amplifier.
Where to Peaceably Assemble
Let's look at the different types of places that are present in most cities. First Amendment Peaceable Assembly rights apply differently in these different types of places.
Spaces in cities can be divided into basic categories:
1) Inside public buildings, such as City Halls, libraries, etc.
2) In the publicly-owned street.
3) on the publicly-owned sidewalk.
4) in a publicly-owned plaza that is open to the public.
5) in a publicly-owned park.
6) in a POPS – a privately-owned public place, which is a category that is created by zoning law in some municipalities where a developer builds a public space, such as a park or plaza, in exchange for being granted the right to build at higher density than normally allowed on that lot.
7) Privately-owned places to which the public is invited. This includes places such as shopping malls, wide sidewalks by stores, outdoor cafes, seating areas outside businesses, private parks, private trails, etc.
8) Privately-owned places to which the public is not invited. This includes places such as homes, yards, private college campuses, private schools, churches, medical facilities, offices.
9) Inside or on the grounds of a public college or public university.
10) Inside or on the grounds of a public high school.
11) Inside or on the grounds of a public grade school.
12) Publicly-owned airports.
13) Publicly-owned transportation facilities, such as publicly-owned bus depots and train stations, as well as on-board public buses and trains.
The types of laws regarding protests that usually apply in these types of places:
1) Inside public buildings, such as City Halls, libraries, etc.
Most municipalities do not allow protests inside public buildings. Protesters can attend City Council or other meetings that are open to the public, but they have to follow the rules that apply to everyone. That means being orderly and quiet, and signing in to speak and observing time limits. Signs may be prohibited inside a building or at a meeting, but the rule should be written and must apply to all. Many places prohibit the distribution of flyers or other materials in a library or public building.
2) In the publicly-owned street.
If you want to hold a protest that takes place in the street, vehicle traffic must be closed off. Cities always require a permit or approval process for this. Some cities also require insurance coverage for the event. Some cities bill for the cost of public services used. Many cities limit the length of time of such a protest with street closure to 2- 4 hours. Permits are granted or denied based on specific written criteria that must apply to all applicants regardless of their message. Keep in mind, however, that since the permit is for peaceable assembly, the groups ability and willingness to be peaceable counts.
3) on the publicly-owned sidewalk.
The public sidewalk is the MAIN place to hold protest marches. In most municipalities, you can protest on the public sidewalk without a permit. You cannot block others from using the sidewalk. That means you can take up about one-half the width of the sidewalk and must be courteous to others trying to use the sidewalk. You cannot step into the street or block traffic. In most places, you cannot sit or lie down on the sidewalk. Most places do not allow any items to be placed onto the sidewalk, such as tables, chairs, tents. Some bigger cities, such as Los Angeles, allow sleeping on the sidewalk during specific hours at night.
Most places prohibit any protests near medical facilities or churches. Many places have quiet zones, where no noise can be made near or in churches, schools, senior citizen homes, or other such places. The laws regarding protests near medical facilities are often very specific and meant to protect women seeking abortions from being harassed and endangered by protesters.
Most places have noise restrictions that limit or prohibit the use of sound amplification systems, such as public address systems, megaphones, or loudspeakers. Check the local ordinances on this. Most places also place limits on how much noise a performer can make and when. This applies if your protest has drummers, as most do. Also, most places even further restrict or prohibit any loud noise at all from the evening to the next morning. Check your local ordinances. A typical no noise at night law may go from about 8 pm till 9 am. Some places have greater noise restrictions on Sundays. It is crucial to read and know the local laws on this.
The right to protest outside of anyone’s house may be curtailed. That’s because harassment is NOT part of Free Speech. If what you are protesting is directly tied to the location, it may be allowable. Each situation will be different based on the facts. Be prepared to explain why you are protesting there.
4) in a publicly-owned plaza that is open to the public.
These are usually plazas that are connected to a government building or on the town square. If a plaza has mostly stores or businesses on it, it is probably not a publicly-owned plaza - you need to check to see if it is part of a privately-owned shopping complex, for example. If you protest in a public plaza, you have to follow the same laws as everyone else using the plaza, such as closing time. Many public plazas prohibit sleeping or lying down. See the rules above for public sidewalks, because the same sorts of rules apply.
5) in a publicly-owned park.
Parks usually fall under a separate set of rules. Parks are often ruled by a separate department of a city. In some cities, such as New York, plazas be grouped with parks. Also, in some cities, certain parks have a special set of rules. In particular, different parks in the same city often have different closing times. You need to check the laws and rules before you plan to hold anything at any particular park. Many cities require a permit for any group over a certain size in the park. Most cities prohibit any camping in a park, unless the park is designed for camping. Some parks prohibit any tents at any time, or require a permit for any tent. Some parks prohibit sleeping in a park at any time. Most parks close at a certain stated time. Most parks prohibit the use of any sound amplification system without a permit. In other words, if you want to hold a protest in a park, you almost surely need to get a permit.
6) in a POPS – a privately-owned public place, which is a category that is created by zoning law in some municipalities where a developer builds a public space, such as a park or plaza, in exchange for being granted the right to build at higher density than normally allowed on that lot.
The rules regarding a POPS will depend on the provisions under which the POPS was created. If you want to hold a protest in a POPS, contact a lawyer to help you.
7) Privately-owned places to which the public is invited. This includes places such as shopping malls, wide sidewalks by stores, outdoor cafes, seating areas outside businesses, private parks, private trails, etc.
Generally, there are no peaceable assembly rights in these places. If a place is private but appears to be a public park, there may be some First Amendment rights. It all depends on the history and situation of the exact place. If you plan to do this, get help from a lawyer.
8) Privately-owned places to which the public is not invited. This includes places such as homes, yards, private college campuses, private schools, churches, medical facilities, offices.
Private places do not have to allow any First Amendment activity. At private college campuses, people often take the First Amendment activity to the public sidewalk on the perimeter of the campus. Some private colleges try to limit the First Amendment rights of their students on and off campus. Check the rules, check the laws, check with a lawyer or rights group. If you pay to attend a school that tries to restrict your basic rights off-campus, perhaps you should transfer to a different school?
9) Inside or on the grounds of a public college or public university.
Public colleges and public universities are places where there are some free speech rights, but these are not unlimited. Universities are generally allowed to limit protest groups to students only and can consider non-students to be trespassers. Universities are also generally allowed to limit peaceable assembly protest to certain proscribed “free speech” areas in order to protect the State interest of providing orderly education. In many cases, these areas are too small or in inconvenient or undesirable locations where the protest will not be visible to the public. By my observation over the years, I would say that most student protests that get “out of hand” do so if the university administration is not respecting the First Amendment rights of the students, rather than from the administration failing to adequately contain the protests. The main problem most student protest leaders face is university discipline, where universities may attempt to expel or suspend them from school. If this sort of thing is happening to you, get help from a lawyer or rights group immediately. Let me repeat: Get help immediately because university "justice" systems are notoriously lacking in due process and even more lacking in unbiased decision-makers.
10) Inside or on the grounds of a public high school
Public high schools are allowed to be highly restricted places. In most cities, non-students are not allowed on the premises for any purpose, other than official school business . In most cases, no protests are allowed on the grounds of a public high school. If you can determine where the actual public sidewalk is that is on the perimeter of a public high school, you may be able to flyer or protest on that public sidewalk. However, you need to check the laws, because there may be a provision against making noise or causing a distraction or gathering for any purpose near a public high school, particularly during school hours or any time students are present. In any case, any protest must be held on the public way, not on school grounds.
You also need to check the school or district rules. I have seen a school rule at a Los Angeles public high school that prohibited the possession of flyers by a student, even in a locker or backpack. Believe it or not, the same school had a rule that prohibited a student from possessing a graffiti-style drawing, even inside a notebook. The school claimed the rules were needed to ensure an orderly education in a school that supposedly had a history of gang activity. ( "Gang" is the magic word. If a school or municipality claims a rule is in place to ward off gang activity, it can install almost any intrusion upon freedoms.)
11) Inside or on the grounds of a public grade school
Same as public high school, but with stricter controls still. If the protest is the parents protesting against budget cuts or some such thing, they should plan carefully to be at a time and location where they will not interfere with the learning process or distract the children or cause any danger or confusion that interferes with children’s’ safety. In any case, the protest must be held on the public way, not on school grounds. That means on the publicly-owned sidewalk out by the street.
12) Publicly-owned airports
Most municipalities give an airport administrator the right to control time, place, and manner restrictions on First Amendment activity within an airport. The airport may be divided into different zones, ranging from restricted to limited. For example, an airport may have specific spots where free speech activity may be conducted by a given person or small group for a limited amount of time during specific time slots. Check with the airport to find these rules. As for holding a major protest at an airport – that sounds like a good idea if you want to end out incommunicado in a hidden cell in the custody of Homeland Security. Try it and let me know how that works out for you.
13) Publicly-owned transportation facilities, such as publicly-owned bus depots and train stations, as well as on-board public buses and trains
See the rules above for airports, except they are more likely to call the local police or their own security force. You need to find and read the laws and rules. Messing with public transportation these days is likely to end in arrest or at the very least, getting kicked out. If you plan to protest in public transportation, check with a lawyer on the specifics of the exact place. If you want to contact the office of the station or transportation agency, they will tell you their policies.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Fannie Mae Renter Evictions
Submitted by mroby on
I am a renter and Fannie Mae foreclosed on the home in which I am renting. I researched their website and discovered they supposedly try to keep renters in their homes. I contacted Fannie Mae's attorneys and requested to rent my home from Fannie Mae; however, they were too busy gettings billions of dollars in bail outs and trying to figure how to pay each other millions in bonuses to respond to my request or even respond to their attorneys regarding this matter. Consequently, the attorneys are proceding with the eviction and are taking me to court in San Bernardino, California, on Tuesday (Dec 6) to evict me. I was told that I really did not have a defense because Fannie Mae is not obligated to rent. It seems Fannie Mae would rather have empty homes than have to work with renters. Their website is a sham for renters but looks good for public relations purposes.
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