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This forum is in regards to the language we The People, the 99%, employ in and around our Occupation. It does not belong under the "Occupy Los Angeles in The Media" forum because we do not trust The Media to be on our side. This forum discusses how we, The People, can spread accurate, trutful information to various audiences in order to further our cause. Through a critical engagement with EVERY and ALL media sources, including this one, truths can be revealed. Through a critical engagement with the language we employ, we, The People, can receive and send accurate, trutful information.
Corporate Media's responsibility is to its shareholders.
The People's Media responsibility is to the Truth.
Truthful, accurate information is the most valuable assest in Free Market. The words we use are very, very important in maintaing it's value.

LANGUAGE AND MEDIA SUGGESTED READING LIST. PLEASE ADD YOURS!
Submitted by socrates crimes on
**All links are to Amazon.com. This is not a suggestion of where to purchase these materials but a resource for The People to become more familiar. Many free and usesful resources are available with a little bit of research online. If anyone has a reasoable objection to linking to Amazon, be it for reasons of online security or otherwise, please vocalize them in this forum. Thanks.***
Roland Barthes: Mythologies
http://www.amazon.com/Mythologies-Roland-Barthes/dp/0374521506
Roland Barthes: The Responsibility of Forms
http://www.amazon.com/Responsibility-Forms-Critical-Essays-Representatio...
Marshall McLuhan: Media Research: Technology, Art, Communication
http://www.amazon.com/Media-Research-Technology-Communication-Critical/d...
IN REGARDS TO CRITICAL THINKING, AN ACTIVE APPROACH TO ENGAGEMENT WITH THE WORLD AROUND YOU:
http://www.criticalthinking.org/pages/defining-critical-thinking/766
http://www.criticalreading.com/critical_thinking.htm
http://www.criticalthinking.net/
~SC
Leave me then, Crito, to fulfill the will of God, and to follow whither he leads.
Spelling, Grammar and Punctuation
Submitted by Sue Basko on
For starters, I think it would be helpful if everyone posting on here would please take the time and effort to use correct spelling, grammar and punctuation. Other than that, I think trying to obscure basic messages by using cryptic psuedo-intelligent language is unproductive to spreading the word. People should not have to learn some special lingo to speak or read about things such as the need for jobs, housing, and healthcare.
Earlier, someone on here had offered to copy edit the comments and blogs that need it. That sounds like a good plan. I am reading the comments and seeing so many errors of spelling, grammar and punctuation. First things first.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Good points!
Submitted by socrates crimes on
Both great points, Sue.
A few more to consider:
1. We might agree that one of the "basic messages" is that our public education system is in major disrepair. If that broken system is where many, many of the participants in this movement were educated we, to some extent, need to re-educate them from their level. For instance: I am not of the generation raised on internet speak; I crafted my skills of articulation the old fashioned way. That does not mean the language employed by those raised on myspace and facebook is any less legitimate for its lack of proper punctuation and spelling. We need to be careful to keep an open mind about how we communicate.
2. "Spreading the word" needs to be done in an accurate and efficient method. We need to get as many people involved as thoroughly and quickly as possible. Would you agree? Unfortunately, we will not be able to match the thoroughness and efficiency of the existing Media as an institution. There are already known and documented websites attempting to misinform people as to what those basic messages are. The following link is a great resource to find out who some of this outlets are: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fake-Occupy-Websites/186787908063157?sk=wall (If you're not into facebook let me know. I'll post a list of known compromised media outlets here).
We need to effectively employ the "basic messages" you mentioned accurately and truthfully. It will be a constant uphill battle but one we can win because we ARE The People. I cannot solve the problem of how to do what I proposes on my own. I do not have the knowledge and resources. But COLLECTIVELY we can solve that problem. Which brings me to my next point:
3. The "cryptic psuedo-intelligent language" you mentioned (I'm left to assume you mean MINE), is just as important to consider with an open mind as the improper grammar, punctuation, and spelling referred to in my first point.
The nature of intellectualism is exclusive. The higher education system currently in place is out of reach of most people due to a myriad of reasons (financial, social, an abandonment of duty on behalf of the broken public education system). Therefore, the higher education system incorrectly applies value to intellectualism for it's SCARCITY rather than it's USEFULNESS. We need to re-redefine intellectualism as a tool to further humanity rather than a product attainable only to those who can afford it. The privileged lingo of the psuedo-intelligent needs to work hand-in-hand with more efficient means of communication. Neither can supersede the other.
And finally, 4. The People have been trained from birth how to engage with the world around them VIA THE MEDIA. Obviously The Media did not have our best interest at heart otherwise we would not have gotten into this mess. There would have been accurate and truthful reporting about the goings on of Wall Street as well as of K Street and Congress. This is why the critical thinking links listed in the recommended reading list are so important: The means by which we have been trained to engage with the world cannot be trusted themselves.
Sorry for the long winded response. This is an issue that cannot afford to be taken lightly. It could mean the difference between success and failure, whatever those are. :}
Keep up the dialogue!
~SC
Leave me then, Crito, to fulfill the will of God, and to follow whither he leads.
STAY ON TASK
Submitted by alhs06 on
A simple reminder to those who feel a need to deflect from our task @ hand in re-establishing the basic fairness & equality rights back into the life of "The 99%", by attempting to ridicule & embarrass people for their spelling, into silence & non-participation of the very movement that offer's to embrace them. Elitist attitudes are a cancer in the basic development of an all inclusive call to arm's for the defense to our freedom & democracy of all. Solidarity, no matter how it's spelled, has the same definition in the heart's & minds of those who pursue it sincerely.
Maybe some of the people who are guilty of your indictment are new to the English language, do we ask them not to comment until their spelling & grammar are acceptable to you, maybe take a "Forum Participation Approval & Acceptance Test", or maybe we can alienate the immigrant's & poor speller's to a "special section" of the Forum's.
We have no room for ridicule through or by Elitist's here, we are already battling their doctrine of privilege & advantage that brought us to this revolution.
STAY ON TASK OR GET OUT OF THE WAY!
today is John Lennon's Birthday!
Submitted by Supersean on
I just thought I'd remind you:
but if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
you aint gonna make it with anyone anyhow.
Chairman Mao
Submitted by alhs06 on
So I guess Mike Tyson's SOL aye M8 ...lmfao, (Sue, that stands for "laughing my fuc*ing ass off", I googled it darling)
hmmm.
Submitted by Supersean on
I don't think I agree Sue. I understand the sentiments, but the execution of them is bound to exclude people. I thought this movement was for everyone's benefit, whether they can spell and punctuate or not.
Spelling, Etc.
Submitted by Sue Basko on
I do not mean to limit anyone's communications. I applaud anyone who is doing their best to communicate.
I am sensitive to the fact that many people are not skilled writers. That is why publications hire copy editors. There was a man earlier volunteering to do this for free on these pages. That is why I am asking what happened to him. Is he still around?
I applaud anyone writing and sharing. However, when communications can be seen by the press and can be quoted, it is a good idea to have them done right. As explained earlier, a major press news article took a quote from this site, and it was full of errors. Yes, the news article was mocking it. I think this must have been very hurtful for the person who wrote the post. However, when a website is public, it can be quoted by the press.
I do not mean to insult or scare away anyone who is struggling to learn how to spell and use punctuation. These are not easy things. I also do not want these people to face public embarrassment, as happened when someone's post was quoted in the press article. That's why I am saying, if that man is still offering free help, why not say yes?
Or do you think it is okay to open people up to public humiliation? I do not think it is a good thing. It made me feel very sad for the person who was being mocked.
Sue Basko, Lawyer
OCCUPY PEACE - Legal Info on How to Hold a Peaceful Protest or Occupation
Logisitics.
Submitted by socrates crimes on
I would feel so sorry for the poor chap who's dedicated his time to being a simple "Check Spelling" button. That is what we need on these forums. This could be taken up with the Online Media committee or whoever is in charge of maintaining our site. Sue, would you be able to commit taking this issue up with them directly?
In regards to the press making fun of someone's comments I'm not familiar with. It would be rad if you could send me a link to this. We need people constantly on guard for this type of bullying from the press in an attempt to de-legitimize this movement. We could easily turn that stunt against them.
:)
~SC
Leave me then, Crito, to fulfill the will of God, and to follow whither he leads.
spell check on the way
Submitted by alhs06 on
By right-clicking in the comment box, spell check is listed in the drop down. The Web techies on site are currently working to make it automatic, per a post they made in the internal forums.
We will now have a modicum of control over spelling, however grammatically misplaced the word might be. One outta two aint bad ;<}
Now where were we in regards to this movement & the trust issues involving our beloved or beleaguered media?
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