I have several years experience with consensus, and I've seen only a few blocks.  Generally, if there are too many concerns, and modifying the proposal just won't work, it gets withdrawn and really re-worked away from the meeting, or dropped entirely.

Additionally, organizations have some points of unity, and if a proposal conflicts with the points of unity, it is often dropped for that reason.  Then it may return in modified form.

Things like solidarity actions with other organizations are sometimes a challenge, or not, depending on the group.  In a large, networked organization, (IMC in my case) we often look at what other groups in the network are doing.  In the case of Occupy, the default seems to be to do solidarity actions, because it would be impossible to stop people from doing them.

One other thing - we often used large sheets of paper to record the comments.  If people had similar comments, they'd say "I was just going to repeat what --- said," and move on.  This saves time, and allows for more comments.  We'd go around the circle twice to make sure all comments and concerns were raised, then address them.  There was no limit on the comments and concerns.  That would avoid back-and-forth discussion and debate (which would often happen anyway).

It wasn't in the "for or against" format that GA uses.  It was "comments and concerns", and some were in support, some were against, some were constructive comments.

I've heard that if there are individuals who block frequently, they are asked to leave.  This probably won't work with Occupy LA, but it probably works with small groups that don't claim to be inclusive.

In larger groups, I'm more used to the spoke and hub model - where you have affinity groups and proposals are sent up to the hub, and send back down to the affinity groups.  The groups discuss, and send up the comments and concerns.  This is somewhat like the "lets break into small groups" thing, except that affinity groups all know each other, so the discussion isn't a small-scale debate, but more about raising issues of concern to the affinity group collectively.

Also, in a larger group, voting *can* work, but I think it works only if the proposals are allowed to be developed away from the big meeting.  By "developed" I mean that the proponents can basically lobby people to mobilize votes, and also poll people to understand the objections so the proposal can be modified to deal with that.

If we assume this lobbying will happen, it means that political formations within Occupy LA will gain power.  Action Assembly, for example, might become a formation that's worth some number of votes, so you talk with AA about the proposal and modify it to work for them.  Specific work groups and formal or informal affinity groups become political constituencies, and again, you work the proposal to work for them.

Then, for the GA, you call up all your supporters and make sure they show up for the vote. 

Lastly, perhaps instead of a "yes/no" vote, it should be called a "accept/block" vote.  Because it's always possible that a proposal is acceptable, even if someone doesn't fully support it.  The goal is action, and allowing someone to take action with the approval of the group is different from fully supporting that action.

Occupy Wall Street

Do you know why you are here?

Wall Street, do you know why you are being occupied?

 You are here because you feel the economic inequity. Do you know why there is economic inequity in America? Wall Street why is there economic inequity in America?

 I know why and I want to share with you the dirty secrets you deserve to know. First let me say there are class structures and a caste system run by elitist and ego attitudes in America. Those elite with attitude are at the highest ranks in American politics. These are neither the attitudes nor desires of politicians we elect to office. This leads into the history of America’s darkest and dirtiest secrets.

 The secrets begin during ww2. Business found profit in war. Business and government with the new OSS needed to cooperate to defeat the enemy. So soon after the war American Intelligence discovered German scientific, aeronautic, and atomic advanced technology and research application to war fighting. In the rush to collect information, documentation, and personnel involved with these programs and transfer all back to the United States US Intelligence was unaware the Soviet Union had infiltrated German war industry at all ranks and all expertise. With the German collections also came back to America Russian Intelligence. To shorten this I will jump to circa 1952 during McCarthyism. Media had advanced to a point Television sets became commercially available and in American homes. America became aware of communist expansion and US secrets in the hands of the Soviet Union; after the Russians tested an atomic weapon. Television sets across America lit up with the sensational news coverage. Intelligence and business took note of the possibility to move American opinion with the new mass media TV product. As most all new technology the military and intelligence industry are the inventors, creators, or innovators of the consumer variants that become available to consumers; like DARPA’S CREATION is today’s World Wide Web of domestic spying and Intelligence Industry funding PEDRO VELASQUEZ’S BLACK BUDGET pockets. So we have handshakes between military, intelligence and business for mutual benefit to each of their causes. The power of mass media was discovered by all to move a market for any purpose. One purpose that became apparent was promoting one specific politician over another. Military, business, and intelligence all agreed this was good for them. In retrospect maybe it wasn’t so good for “We the People”. Following the conversation? So if you pay attention we can see the development of influence and political power in promotion in the minds of public opinion through mass media. If a person or organization were to control mass media all would eventually need mass media to promote whatever it is that money can pay for. Politics is one big purpose I know that requires public exposure opinion and promotion. The higher the price the more promotion is gained. We now discover a link between media, business, military, and the intelligence community. I will fast forward again to the 1960 election between Richard Morehouse Nixon and John Fitzgerald Kennedy. One national televised debate was the determinate factor that decided the election in favor of John F. Kennedy. How much did that cost? What favors were promised? Who was to benefit from John F. Kennedy being elected president of the United States? I do not know. I can say behind every President is big money politics. There is power, influence, and profit if you are on the side of a President. There is even more of those if the balance in leverage over a President can make the President close his ears to the cry of American citizens. I would accurately say there could be reason to believe this possible considering the great cost to purchase mass media to being on the side of one candidate for President over another candidate running in the same election. These days’ big money talks the walk. If big money can’t speak loud enough to purchase the media big promises can; and move the media balance in leverage over the President elected on those promises to the powers that promote him during the campaign. Is a picture painting developing in your acute abstract vision?

 Let’s return to John F. Kennedy; shall we? Ok, John had some embarrassing problems with our Cuban friends to the south east off the Florida coastline. It seems John involved less than notable figures with some fine US armed secret forces and attempted to dislodge a dictator that came to power during a communist/socialist revolutionary takeover. At the Bay of Pigs (pi gs) invasion the Cubans were waiting. Calls for air support and reinforcements fell on Kennedy’s deaf ears. Kennedy didn’t want his name associated with the attempt to dislodge Castro. The order for air support and reinforcement must come from the President. John made promises. He didn’t order what he needed to order to return casino gambling business to CoCoCabanana. A pissed off Castro remained in power, the less than notables were angry, and the intelligent intelligence heroes who sacrificed their lives buddies were also quite angry. Russia was in Cuba during the time because they fronted the money and arms to Castro so he could have his rum free of charge anywhere on the island. In return Castro promised Russia prime beachfront property to set up a few nuclear missiles. Everybody, including the Russian advisors who were there training Cuban Revolutionaries and scoping out the girls, wasn’t so pleased in Cuba. The organized not so notables weren’t happy with him and Kennedy let down the Intelligence Community. Word went out, by whom who knows, there was big money to be made for any person with the balls big enough to take out a popular US President; who had everybody who was somebody pissed off at him. Persons from Cuba with the Cuban machismo balls were found right here in position high enough within our own Intelligence community. They were piss enough too, to be ready to go. Their names are young dumb and full of cum Frank Guzman (deceased) FBI and Pedro Velasquez (Spy Guys in Westminster CA.) SS. NOTE: REMEMBER THIS NAME IT WILL COME UP OVER AND OVER AGAIN! They found the appropriate named Manchurian Candidate Lee Harvey Oswald and did the mental emotional work on him to make him believe he was doing his country a favor and he would be taken care of. That is what a Manchurian Candidate typically or could possibly think after intense mental and emotional CIA or Russian psyche mind fucking. It is in my humble opinion that it was entirely Russian techniques used on Lee Harvey Oswald. I know this area of expertise well and the usage wasn’t in use within the US at that time. It was however under US study in the back dark rooms where such quiet studies are conducted. The rest is history. Everybody at the time was in awe that it, the assassination, could be pulled off so cleanly. Catapulting to the top of political fear was Pedro (Peter) Velasquez.(cover name?) He made a name, reputation, and position in government for himself with that feat of machismo ballsmanship. DOD, Intelligence, and business collected and had his business card on file. Political action committees also took note; as well as congress and every politician in our country. He worked various departments within intelligence law enforcement, and DOD. His background has been washed, created a new, and his name Peter became official on most government documents. His nick names after the murder of JFK are Ken and Jack in fun representation for the name of our late great civil rights leader, for unpopular at the time, black Negros, President.

  So this Pedro Velasquez got an ego stroking he could never come down from. His head filled with ideas, scams, and stuff so unreal to believe but true come to pass. He vaulted over influence and power of US Presidents. With the monetary backing of business, support of DOD expansion to keep fresh sales to business friends, he captured MEDIA (ME Defense Intelligence Agency) AND MICROSOFT. Peter Velasquez became Peter, Jack, Ken Mr. Media that influences public opinion for politicians and all who can pay his prices AND he is the same guy ALL US POLITICIANS ARE IN FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES. It didn’t take Peter long to realize the power and influence he had over government politicians. Peter was and is Bully Kid Street smart. He is not intelligent or close to being (Bing, as the Windows offering) real practical smart. He is a Russian trained Cuban National Double Agent intent on creating adversary conflict for the US, DOD, Intelligence Agencies, and American citizens so his businesses and his friends business have sales of product off the misery and suffering he creates.

Why are you here Occupy Wall Street? You are here because the economy you feel is unfair and inequitable. It, however, is not being run by our government. Peter Velasquez has successfully pulled off a headless coup of our United States government. Peter is shot caller in the US for DOD interests. It is called a headless coup because there is no one head running it. From what I see nobody within his coup has ability or capability to run it. The inequity you feel is because Peter runs our American economy for benefit to himself first, to cover his illegal crimes 2nd then for his criminal family and friends only. Peter is Mr. Computer Microsoft. W3C.org is the remaining 355 member digital worlds’ providers that service things the way Peter the Great murderer dictates to them. The world serves Pedro Velasquez Dementia and strokes his oversized ego to the point the only and last one brain cell remains inside his head and it cannot maneuver thought within sparks of neurons, serotonin uptake, reuptake, or pass from its single cell to itself anything. The steps he has taken to complete the silent headless coup are as follows:

How Peter Velasquez Silent Headless US Government Coup Evolved

Prelude: Throughout this schema you will note repeat undercurrent in thermal climes within our sea of voters’ distractions. They are always too big to see through and too overwhelming with the daily burdens placed on us to have time to worry about him. He made us all too busy to feel what he was doing until it became too much for you too. You did and you do FEEL it. And YOU connected something very wrong in our American society. Often, the way these work, is to create hardships among the people that will be controlled so the plan becomes too confusing to pin down. And, without citizen voters’ resources to analyze, organize, collate, distribute, disseminate and combat there is nothing can be done until it’s too late. But, YOU, OCCUPY WALL STREET did notice. Occupy Wall Street; now it is time to take back America. Read on;

The purpose of Peter Velasquez’s final act, the Patriot Act, is to further finalize effect for total protection of and to within scope of law offensively to defend DOD’s acquisitions, purchasing, and political influence with business support to control all American citizens and control all American political processes within the United States Government. The end zone goal is Peter Velasquez headlessly empty and silent leading the DOD towards our battle line last stand world for his empty headed dominance.

STEP #1) DISARMS THE CITIZENS MIND: Citizens have been mentally disarmed as result media spin off an attempt on a President's life. The Brady Bill can be traced to the Secret Service failures that allowed an armed man within 25feet of President Reagan. The message first delivered to President John Fitzgerald Kennedy on November 22nd, 1963 was reinforced when his brother Bobby Francis Kennedy was shot in Los Angeles while campaigning for the office of the presidency. Bobby would have continued the fight against organized crime, business, and the intelligence agency involved with the Bay of Pigs in Cuba. FBI Agent Frank Guzman with ties to Cuba circa. 1960 and Peter Velasquez can be tied to the first message delivery. Political spin and silent unspoken messages symbolic of the same we see today kept the silence, compartments, bits and pieces in place while the public was fed a dose of mass media psychology. This conditioned the public's minds to listen and believe mass media distraction over individual rational thought focused on sequential terms of president power increasing over congressional power and balanced control over government and history in associated concurrence of presidential powers increasing with the observed buildup of DOD. The puppet master was pulling strings attached to the hem of his coat. The more he danced the puppet the more coat lost the hem.

STEP #2 REIMND A STRONG PRESIDENT WHO IS IN CONTROL & DISARM CITIZENS: The Reagan administration gave Peter all he wanted in DOD spending to outspend so to defeat the Russians. All record setting defense spending was spent on defensive and offensive weapons i.e. NASA/Boeing Space and Defense Command, Control, Communications, and Tracking Starwar’s Satellitess that fire radio frequency weapons to cause human health problems, cancers and diseases with radio wave pin point accuracy within range of 10cm. But, still Peter wanted something else. It was requested with the misstep by Secret Service that causes Brady a new hole in his head. That one shot was enough to run an update to the messages delivered to earlier Presidents. All the earlier message deliveries were accented the same Peter Velasquez crime signature as the reminder and linkage in memory of other strong messages. The message says loudly each time; I AM PETER VELASQUEZ DON’T MESS WITH ME!! It also established, as intended, American public's opinion in favor of gun restrictions, regulatory requirements and law enforcement gun control legislation. The Brady Bill and the Assault Weapons Registration, Regulations and Ban took opposition arms away from citizens.

STEP #3 CONTROL COMMUNICATIONS: At this same time the Reagan Administration began massive investment in “Star Wars” weapons systems; hmm, DOD again. This involved electromagnetic pulse generators, space laser research and digital radio frequency  weapons, Boeing Space and Defense Satellites for command, tracking, control and communications transmissions and collections of every frequency band including light spectrum and digital and analog, radio, wireless and wired computer and telephone networks (SIGNET) electronics and other types of projectile offensive weapons. This era provided DOD the control over all US communications systems including the web and email.

STEPS # 4 PICKSES YOUR CLOWN: The Al Gore vs. George Bush Juniors campaign was a presidential election designed to have a predetermined outcome. The citizens were not fooled by the fool. It came down to the wire with a hair pulling out victory for Bush Juniors won by secret influences, a Bush kin as Governor of Florida and his political appointees as Attorney General, General Council, and his Kin's entire Appointed Administration. It smelled as stinky as it was. The clown had been crowned. The Bush Juniors puppet was in place. George Juniors was in over his head. Millions of American's watched as one after another gaff caused them to turn off television sets and tune out the obvious. Secret Service got their clown. DOD got the Secret Service to pull off the Coup. George Bush Juniors term in Office of the President was the first true puppet government.

STEP #5 PULLS IT OFF AND WRAPS IT UP: In come the players acting; Terrorists. The war to pad pocket of few and fight DOD's made up boogie man for mass media spin began. On September 11th, 2002 commercial jet passenger aircraft flew every which way over American soil. Targets were specifically chosen for symbolic message they would send to key personnel. America was unaware the spin had already began. Into the Twin Towers Manhattan, NY (TTM) two jets flown by who we don't know, crashed into the New York Twin Towers. Massive fire leads to the collapse of the two iconic structures killing thousands; including some of the best firemen and best loved men in the world. Why? To wrap up the Coup with the flag waving public opinion constituent vengeance nod to congress and the wink from insiders they got in their DOD Patriot Act. In the Patriot Act DOD's opposition civil liberty was taken. All digital frequencies were captured to spy freely on domestic citizens who may be onto the smell of stink and may want to spread the word electronically. In the Patriot Act DOD captured the taxpayers’ money and incomes citizens need to live and support themselves. DOD gained the Cyber Security Secret Police to keep all political opposition silenced. With the Boeing Space and Defense Satellites and digital frequencies and technology essential and integral to American society DOD controls, restricts, blocks, redirects, or spoofs America's use of these to control every American; and every American's privacy, medical privacy, communications, US Mail, political opinion, affiliations and Financial access to deposited funds via credit and debit cards and as well financial records to prevent discovery of fraud, manipulation and intrusion. They do manipulate Americans' will to fight back with mandatory business' landlords', and ALL our government's departments, divisions, and agency cooperation with any shit schema they want to bring onto an opponent or critic. They get to roam free in the digital world including into stored digital content to modify, delete, edit for their purpose, change, hide, or block access to obstruct honest investigation into their wrong doing. They have internet service provider records, the internet, email, medical records, and all computer records; the DOD owns it all. The most important coveted DOD prize won was the creation of DHS (Defense High School) that establish secrets perimeter, built the walls around their castle and dug and filled the mote with human devouring creations protecting the walls around the castle. Under one big roofie they combined every law enforcement function in our great Nation. How do I know this? I am the first serious threat to their kingdom. They have hit me with everything they have except an armored tank or skull piercing bullet. With DOD control of the President, Congress and now all American citizens with the power of the Patriot Act granted lawful Authority given DOD over all law enforcement to control our American way of life too

 THEY THINK THEY PULLED IT OFF. I AM HERE TO TELL YOU THAT IT IS NOT CORRECT. You noticed your FEELING. So have I noticed my FEELING while fighting Peter Velasquez for 7 years all by myself and a few secret guardian Angels who are looking over US. Now you noticed something wrong and you feel the inequity. I AM HERE TELLING YOU WHY YOU FEEL SO IGNORED BY OUR AMERICAN SYSTEM. I AM FIGHTING FOR YOU, BESIDE YOU, BEHIND THE SCEENS AND WITH YOUR HELP WE WILL BEAT THEM BACK AND WRAP THEM UP IN THEIR OWN LIMELIGHTED 15 SECONDS OF FAME THEY WANT NOBODY TO FIND OUT ABOUT.

The United States is under siege by silent powers now unified under one DOD. The Office of and the President of the United States is held hostage by his own Secret Service protective detail now under command of the DOD through the Treasury Department. It is the classic silent “Coup De Ta”. Effective power of leadership has been taken by DOD. The Constitution of the United States remains as distraction as does the figurehead President and Congress as figureheads to keep the citizens from organizing anarchy militia and opposition.

 Occupy Wall Street you are close to the key discovery. The key you need to open political doors is the information that the banks and investment houses, and investments are hiding within them is Peter Velasquez BLACK BUDGET; that he uses to smash your resistance and keep US citizens under his deviant audio, video, and news printed MEDIA for citizens’ mind control. What you FEEL is Peter Velasquez double agent double standard’ one for his rich friends and crime family and another for the citizens of the United States of America.

WE ARE ONE, WE THE PEOPLE OF BY AND FOR, GOVERNMENT, BY WE ARE THE PEOPLE. Don’t Occupy Wall Street; take it back to Wall Street. It is ours not his.

My unique life experiences provide me the qualifications to state all of the above is true and correct.

Trust Love Sincerely,

                                  Randy Whitehurst      aka: mebyte;…cellphoney – 562-208-3722 &

                      rndy1w@live.com  Sometimes, Pedro Velasquez & company. Allows these 2work

Oct. 30th, 2011

If we could put together a petition to repeal SBX211 (retro active immunity) given to judges for taking bribes from the county and given to all governmental employee's that gave the bribes, Then you would put yourself in a very stong possition for further negotiations. LET ME PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY.

1. judges get paid a state salary of $178,789.00 a year with medical and retirement benefits up to 75% of their salary from the state. 

2. Los Angeles County is currenty giving the judges an additional $57,688.00 per year per judge. there are 460 judges that equals to $26,536,480.00 per year. 

3. in the case of sturgeon vs Los Angeles County those payments were found to be unconstitutional / illegal. after that decission the judges paid a lobbyist to pass SBX211 ( retro active immunity from prosecution)

4. There is no bigger user of the court then L.A.County, put it this way, if you and I were in court and my name is L.A. County and your name is OWS and I hand the judge $57,688.00 and I tell him I'm concerned about his retirement and I want to give you some suplimental benefitts. THAT IS A BRIBE. 

5. If we demand to repeal SBX211 and demand that  corperations and governmental agencie's are held to the same standards of the LAW that everyone else is held to the LAW. then we could exspect juctice and fair play.

6. demand that the $26 and a half million spent on suplamental benefitts be appropriated towards a fair and open banking commitee. ( don't worry about those judges they allready well compensated by the STATE as per the CA constitution.)

7. here is a list of reasons for the petition to repeal SBX211.

A. SBX211 does not restore due process

B. SBX211 violates Article 1 section 9

C. SBX211 violates the 14th amendment (no equal protections)

D. SBX211 violate checks and balances between legislative and Judicial powers.

E. Judges do not disclose the county payments at the onset of any trial where the county is either a party to the case or has a financial interest. (Judges violate Judicial codes of ethics)

F. Judges refuse to recuse themselves when requested under CCP170

G. Judges find themselves unbiased and then file an order striking statement.

ADDITIONAL FOOD FOR THOUGHT BELOW

Robert kennedy spoke out against retro active immunity..."QUOTE" (The very idea of "retroactive immunity" ... is so radical, so repugnant to the most basic principles of the "rule of law," that only one prior attempt can be found in recent history (at least from my research): the efforts by some in Congress (in 1965) to enact a law retroactively legalizing the mergers by six large banks which clearly -- as a federal court found -- were illegal under our nation's antitrust laws. 

  The banks knew when they merged that they were almost certainly violating anti-trust laws. But they did it anyway. And when courts began ruling that their behavior was illegal, they ran to Congress to demand that a law be passed granting them amnesty, claiming that the consequences would be ruinous if they were held accountable under the law. )  But the very concept of retroactive amnesty, the idea that corporations could break the law and then have Congress pass a special law legalizing their lawbreaking conduct, was so profoundly offensive to Sen. Robert Kennedy (who had been the Attorney General when the banks broke the law with their mergers), as well as then-Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach, that they engaged in extraordinary efforts to try to put a stop to this Congressional travesty.when the banks broke the law with their mergers), as well as then-Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach, that they engaged in extraordinary efforts to try to put a stop to this Congressional travesty. Robert Kennedy could not stop them.