I hear the word privilege tossed around a lot at OccupyLA.
Often with tremendous irony.
I can't speak for what gender privilege means to women, aside from a rudimentary sort of sympathy. I have no clue what it would be like to return to my life after a betrayal by my adoptive nation, that had kept me in limbo for years on end, due only to its irrational paranoia about my ethnicity. Being labeled a terrorist, or otherwise held suspect by racial profiling is well outside my range of experiences. Having my sexual orientation or gender identity condemned as a grotesque abomination, and a crime against nature (and applicable religions)—or a disease to be "cured"—is not something I've had to personally worry about. I don't know what it means to cope with the gruesome reality that I'd have to reconcile my acceptance of living in this country with a family history that includes ancestors being owned by other people—or their having been beaten or executed by mobs of despicable bigots, while law enforcement looked away (or participated).
I readily admit my ignorance. I understand that no matter what I do I can't claim to understand every perspective, however I might try.
I have used the images of civil rights icons, like Martin Luther King, Rosa Parks, and Malcolm X, in graphics illustrating this country's history of civil disobedience, and the hypocrisy of celebrating it in the past, while condemning it now. But I'm neither a historian, nor African American. There's no individual or group I can ask the approval of in utilizing these images for my own agenda. I say this because I know that in the past (and even in the present, though less often) even well meaning people of privilege, ethnic or otherwise, have thought themselves enlightened because some of their best friends are xyz—thinking they could alleviate their liberal guilt through some token act of recompense.
(It doesn't work that way, kids. A few tears for the Seminoles doesn't get their land back, or reverse their decimation. You're not personally responsible, but don't pretend to get it unless you're living with the direct, negative and marginalizing, consequences of America's genocidal history.)
There is the ugly fact that I am arguably annexing and co-opting something I have little right to. I think drawing parallels is appropriate to civil disobedience, but though there have been consequences then, and now, they're not equal in severity. They are, in many ways, not equivalent situations. I hope that comes across, but I have to acknowledge the uncertain footing I have in this.
Do I feel bad about it? Not really. Listen: that doesn't help. You can cry all you want for shit you didn't personally experience, but that doesn't make your claim to someone else's pain any less counterfeit. (If someone wants to yell at me for what I've done, they have the right. I'll consider their opinions.)
Now the irony comes into play. Some people—of privilege—have so little in the way of their own persecution that they wind up incorporating someone else's into themselves. They chastise themselves into identifying so strongly with another culture that they lose any sense of who they actually are. That's fine, some people might say. While it's their right to do shit like this, it's also the height of irony, hypocritical, and contrary to their alleged intentions.
Because what follows is that they suddenly graduate from speaking of the people who've been oppressed, and transgress into the presumption of speaking for them. Taking such a liberty is as disempowering and offensive as any slur.
I'm not going to beat around the bush here. I have an axe to grind. I have a personal grudge that was inflamed by tonight's GA. Some weeks ago, this person who I loathe introduced a proposal. He said we should change the name of OccupyLA to include decolonization as some sort of subtitle. He groped at some description of the US's imperial advances into other nations. He said that OccupyLA should move from the negative connotations of occupation (which I'd always considered an ironic jab at the imperial power of Wall Street, but what the fuck do I know), and into—somehow, in ways not satisfactorily explained—the concept of decolonizing Los Angeles. The first thought that came to my mind was that the only thing we could do that would fulfill that claim would be leaving. He went on, saying that the US itself was a decolonization, in that it shook off its bonds with Britain. As you can imagine, this pissed off anyone remotely aware of what the establishment of this country really entailed, and what negligible justification it would have to the term decolonized.
He persisted, rambling incessantly, beyond his time, in vain rationalization of his thesis (indicative of the blind exercise of privilege). Luckily I wasn't alone in my objections—and object I did, this proposal meriting the first—and only—hard block I felt strongly enough about to maintain and verbally justify. I asked whether this had been developed with the involvement of the Indigenous Peoples affinity group. It had not. That infuriated me.
Ultimately, the proposal was consigned to the ideological vacuum from whence it came.
If only such an attitude were limited to a single person. But it's a disorder among many liberals. Many people of color, or other minorities, see through such disingenuous bullshit. It does not earn you any points. You are not bonded to anyone by tourism in their identities. Anything one can simply walk away from; any kind of elective feeling of oppression, is an exercise of privilege. It's robbing the truly oppressed of a defining aspect of their lives and family histories. Wearing a cast to see what it's like doesn't impart the feeling of a broken arm.
Taking the position as privileged savior to a marginalized group doesn't free them from oppression, it masks it—and thus makes it even more difficult to root out and truly destroy. The more insidious expression of ethnic/gender/etc. condescension, rather than outright—and arguably more honest—hatred, is not an enlightened position.
You want to help fix things for minorities? With all due respect, fuck you. They have a better idea of what's best for them than you do. Get out of their way. Get other people who are obstructing them out of the way. That's all you can do. Don't fuck with them, and don't let others fuck with them.
An example in practice? I don't directly relate to it, but I believe in a woman's right to choose among her options in pregnancy. I want to block and repeal any laws that obstruct this right. That's it. That's the end of my understanding and involvement. I have no further suggestions. If abortions were rather imposed by the state or churches, and the right women fought for was to prevent that and give birth instead, I'd support their stance. Because it ain't my body.
If you haven't been subjected to the oppression specific to a group, you don't have a claim to represent it. Good intentions, combined with misguided ideas, make you a Sunday school teacher in an imperial occupation. The gentler of the cultural plunderers—the gracious and patronizing educator of the heathens!
IMO, the only help most people need is facilitation for their own ideas about their freedom (in the removal of deliberate obstructions imposed by more willfully malevolent assholes of privilege), and non-voting background support of the initiatives taken by the oppressed people themselves.
No, I can't claim to speak for everyone (maybe some minorities love condescending, appropriationist bullshit), but as a Hapa, I've had many conversations about this with more obviously Asian/Pacific Islander friends and family who have experienced, or witnessed, different manifestations of racism. While I've been subject to some forms of discrimination throughout my life (just for looking the way I do), my understanding remains thoroughly entrenched in my own life experience, and isn't some universal barometer of oppression.


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Ideology
Submitted by frankc on
There is only one dominant Ideology in this world and it is based on private ownership.The ideas of the 1% is spread throughout society, in Education, Art,History, Morality, etc....The ideology of the Oppressed, those without any value but their labor, is that of liberation , abundance, and peace .The transformation of social and class consciousness is achieved by input of new ideas and practical experience. The 99% has entered a period unknown in human history, where due to an exponential growth in technology, abundance is now possible where every human on earth can have food, shelter, clothing and cultural needs satisfied.I feel the Occupy Movement is where change is possible and that includes individual change , where vertical democracy becomes horizontal and the history of individual privilege is replaced with a collective experience of abundance. In this process there is much to be learned and much healing to be achieved.Thank you for your comments.
it goes both ways
Submitted by mikewax on
trying to "save" some oppressed minority from thier oppression is not a priviledge, it does not mask the oppression, it does not make the oppression more difficult to root out and destroy, it is not an expression of condescension, and it SURE AS SHIT is not an expression of hatred.
and, yeah, what-the-fuck if i DO wanna help fight for the rights of the poor? so i'm Don Quixote? you gonna don your cape and try to "save" them from me? now THAT'S some irony.
yes, there are a lot of rich liberals who attend protest rallies who don't really care about whatever they're "protesting". ignore them.
You could have just posted,
Submitted by cryptomnesiac on
You could have just posted,
"Nuh-uh!"
for all the insight you've brought.
Mike C.
Buffalo Beast - Twitter - Facebook
Shared Struggle
Submitted by kharnal on
There is a possessiveness associated with individual and ethnic struggle. We can't even seem to have a discussion about these things without resorting to individual attacks.
Evan Kashinsky - Keepin' It Real #77
Speak of the devil.
Submitted by cryptomnesiac on
Speak of the devil.
You wanna talk about privilege, Evan? Check yourself.
I have never seen someone so abuse the position of moderator, or take such oblivious liberties with process just to hear himself talk. And I'll say—not because I'm uncomfortable being the minority-of-one opinion, but just so that even I can know for sure it's not just a personal quirk—that I'm not the only one who doesn't appreciate your passive-aggressive bullshit, especially where it concerns larger discussions being dragged down by one guy's self-indulgence.
It is a cop-out to hide behind some broadened, diffused platitude like shared struggle to mask the complicated internal dynamics within the composition of a diverse group. Ideas like color blindness and being post racial were conceived through that same quiver of shame; the desire to get beyond real problems by talking around them.
Yes, Evan, some people do, in fact, own their struggles. They are, in fact, proprietary. You don't, in fact, have an equally legitimate basis to understand or, even worse, represent them.
Privileged, guilty liberals out there need to get it through their heads: no oppressed group (that I know of) benefits from condescending, empty "deference" to their struggles.
You know the LA hipster that's so reviled? There's a more important implication to applying this term beyond the bad fashion sense it's generally been trivialized to describe. It hearkens to white bourgeoisie, like that jackass Kerouac, slumming it in predominately African American jazz clubs. Rappelling down the credit line, knowing—even if they never intended to do so—that a front row seat in society would be dusted off when they returned. All the cool, none of the risk—an exploratory mission in cultural appropriation, one could say. One could also say they were double-dipping—I'll live my life, and to the extent that it interests me, I'll live yours, too. Pure tourism. Useless decadence.
A Dances With Wolves/Last Samurai movement is nothing I want any part of.
"Benevolence" and hubris are a dangerous combination. Adopting the aesthetic or religion, or unfamiliar causes, of an oppressed group should not be done with the expectation that it exonerates one of something they probably weren't personally responsible for in the first place: be that their own inexorable privilege, past or present; or the oppression historically wrought by their own people upon another. Removing oneself spiritually, materially, or verbally from the dominant social class doesn't suddenly change how society regards them; it doesn't alter how one's history within their society has shaped them.
The problems of the world demand solutions, not both self-imposed and self-satisfying masochistic penance. All this leads to is one so thoroughly crediting themselves for their enlightenment that they commit brand new slights upon the people they presume to help.
There are enough problems within your purview that you don't need to feign involvement in others. Deal with things you actually personally understand through experience, and stop shopping for designer problems. If you still want to support marginalized groups, give them the resources—monetary, voluntary, etc.—to do what they understand to be in their best interests, not what you decide would be some wonderful gesture to impose on everyone.
In other words: CHECK YOURSELF.
Mike C.
Buffalo Beast - Twitter - Facebook
Drama!
Submitted by kharnal on
Just try to be constructive. There's no reason to bring "loathing" anyone into a blog post. You can come and speak to me about any concerns with my behavior in person.
Evan Kashinsky - Keepin' It Real #77
Don't preach to me. And don't
Submitted by cryptomnesiac on
Don't preach to me. And don't trivialize this.
I called you out on bullshit like this the first day I spoke to you. Then I blocked your proposal and explained why. Now you've got two long elaborations on the topic. You already know my concerns. If it helps illuminate anything, someone said to me during the raid meeting, No one even nominated him to be moderator. It was true. It was also true that you ignored process, derailed conversations to steer them back to your pet topics, and repeated yourself incessantly.
It was such a waste of time attending at that point, some of us just broke off to patrol the block. Whatever—that's all hearsay, and doesn't matter much to something ongoing.
Speak in person? It was speaking to you in person that alerted me to your passive-aggressive exercise of privilege in the first place, when you couldn't even handle the structure of a normal conversation—not without halting it because my style of dialog didn't suit your delicate sensibilities.
Speaking to you in person would only irritate me.
I wrote this article to bring a view actually rooted in a minority position—mine, that which I've grown up with, and which I learned through community involvement, and cultural studies over the past decade—to balance what I saw as a comical abuse of the term privilege by people demonstrating the very thing. This is what a lot of culturally aware people of color think of the "white saviors" who'd presume to insinuate themselves into minority struggles in anything but a supportive role.
It was my hope that others would consider these points and mull them over, even if ultimately in disagreement. Aside from providing the most galling and immediate reason to write on this subject, your role in this is incidental.
Mike C.
Buffalo Beast - Twitter - Facebook
Discussion Topic
Submitted by kharnal on
Stop misrepresenting my ideology, opinions, and ethnicity in a blog post. I don't appreciate being a straw man for your racist rant.
Instead, you could help formulate a discussion topic that can help bring us together on these issues that so often tear us apart. I would love to have some of your input.
I was thinking something along the lines of "What is your personal, ethnic, or class struggle? How does the occupy movement best advance the causes of that struggle?"
Evan Kashinsky - Keepin' It Real #77
Wrong—I'm responding to
Submitted by cryptomnesiac on
Wrong—I'm responding to racism. As in the kind of racism that causes the dominant class to even further disempower minorities by annexing their struggles. There is nothing constructive that can originate in such a presumption. It is inherently racist and patronizing. It's the conviction that one really, really does know what's best for someone—for real this time. The bloody colonizers thought the same fucking thing when they imposed religions and class structures on conquered peoples. It's a lateral move, Evan. The word might as well be recolonization, unless the plan is for we non-native "Americans" to emigrate.
I know it's not pleasant to hear, but there are some topics that are just not your domain. If you want to support an initiative lead by the Indigenous Peoples affinity group, that's another story.
This isn't my topic, either. If the IP affinity group puts together an initiative, I'll support it—if I agree with its premise. What I won't do is launch something on my own, with no claim whatsoever to its core concerns. Being mixed race, and rarely identified by others as any of the ethnicities I represent, even I have to mitigate my own urge to identify with the racial/cultural struggles of my friends—and even my own immediate family. However much it may hurt me to know what people close to me have dealt with, I can't mistake empathy for direct experience—and especially not as a justification to act as though from their perspective, or in their interests. It doesn't mean not caring, it means not leading, presuming, lecturing, or co-opting.
Privilege may ultimately be internalized, but it begins in response to outside perceptions (even the wealthy could suffer a loss of privilege in a society that flatly reviled them). If, for instance, people think I'm an Americanized Latino—as many assume—then I'm regarded as such, whatever the implications. I don't get to choose how that works out. The notion that I could, for instance, credibly wring my hands about the historically foul treatment of "us" Filipino Americans in the US—while never having had an accent, rarely being identified as such, not having lived with segregation and anti-miscegenation laws, etc.—is simply laughable. Whatever one's background, and however nearby prejudice may have been in growing up, if one can "pass" for some approximation of the dominant class, privilege blindly follows.
You do appear to have a lot of ego tied into this idea of yours. Maybe you genuinely don't see it.
I can only suggest you either drop it, or reformulate it into something you can plausibly claim a concrete understanding of.
Having said all that, you and I are well beyond a constructive dialog. You might fundamentally dislike the way I say things, and that's fine. But you're a bully in your own way. Using the word "constructive" doesn't mask an ambition to control conversations—and I don't bother speaking to people that foist superficial happy-talk on me. Not everyone arrives at a solution through the same methods. Yet you impose your own view of what the idea means—just as you did your view of what's best for IPs, or what the whole of OLA should henceforth call itself. The type of language used doesn't alter its intent or its underlying hubris—it doesn't provide its own justification for the stance it assumes.
Mike C.
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Cool Post
Submitted by 3rock on
Hey cryptomnesiac,
I was at the GA when this guy brought this up. Being little hapa native american indian....... (I lived in Kona {Capt. Cook} Hawaii for 1 1/2 years, in 1971-72. I had forgotten what hapa means [yeah google] as a lava lava wearing -underwear, *doing something, a local would say "Don't you know you're showing yourself?" We'd say, "Well don't look."* commune camping hippie)......... I was (see below, Oh yea...).
I'm bohemian GAY. I could care less. I do not care if anyone brings up issues that are of MY concern. I don't want someone looking at me for my concerns. There is WAY too much else needed. I am a bohemian liberal, FIRST. I don't want to delve into ALL the issues. There are a ton of issues in the 99%. Who has time? The most pressing issue to me is how to take back our future from the 1%. How to reestablish antitrust laws that have been gutted, how to, how to, how to!
A little under the radar history. 1976, Carter, a good person was elected and inherited the mess from profit war. The part people don't understand is How bushreagan & the 1%, were able to rip & win. STIFLE! If I called over the hill to the valley to "talk..." to a friend for an hour, it would cost me $3.00, or 4 or 5. No one communicated. I was furious because I knew what they were doing, couldn't afford to talk and then filled that in with mumstream mindwash. Which by the way is similar to the repukelicans nowadays, BLOCKING & filling in with endlesssssssss DEbates! To call over to the valley was not just overpriced, but an astonishingly OBVIOUS RIPOFF. $3.00, or 4 or 5 was a good part of an hourly wage...
Love your posts
Anyway keep posting, keep communicating. It is very important. I myself can not attend the GA. I can not see a new person, at the start of reading the Principles of Solidarity, be accosted by JUAN screaming! "This is a waste of time!" Whilst all let happen, because... See...
Oh yea; The first thought about that persons proposal to me was OLA/1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/ slash, slash, slash, ad nauseum. That so much time was spent on another bonkers, though a good brother? "Well though, let's sift through the merits of, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!"
The part I find so astonishing at this time, is that no matter where, what or however, all I encounter is an entire humanity, who can't grasp obvious and it has manifested into everything, like some chemical induced mind controll. Am I in the Twilight Zone? I do not know? Occupy is my beacon of hope, but it seems it has manifested the most there at the GAs or the most powerfully there. Mmm...
We were haole hippies. The risk was ever once in a while, some got beat up or raped or killed. There were people who hated us. There were some who smiled BIG. Was I afraid? (Just me) Never! I had moved to Hawaii to be among Asian people at a time when they were being killed for a war for profit. No one in regular daily life wore, lava lavas. We had a blast, but I also bowed deeply.
The coolest thing is I'm having incredible mindwarpingfun on the occupied internet. Hope it happens at a future OLA GA.
I swear this is my last post for a while, I swear this is my last post for a while, I swear this is my last post for a while:)
Sorry.... Not on a soapbox, or fillin in, but the amount of that generation who do not get nuclearhomer. Will Matt ever tsunami Homer's occupation? Matt got his start doing cartoons for the liberal LA Weekly. Why Matt after you made sooo much $, is Homer still nuclear? The cost of selling out.
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Submitted by 3rock on
To simplify... We all knew one thing, We were against the War.
Mind you this was in Hawaii. We pooled our resources. We had amazing conversations. We had a huge bamboo structure, in a forest. We didn't do hard drugs, orgies, or children. What someone's sex was, if you didn't do sex, no one cared. We only knew we were bound by one thing, We were against the War.
When the repukelicans started saying "Class Warfare" a few years ago, I thought it was one of their double-edged mind games. What are they talking about? What Occupy has awoken in me & a lot of people is WE now know that they are at War with us of the 99%. I'm hoping the focus is, We are against this NEW War! We are the 99% !
If you slept on the second story of the structure, in beautiful Hawaii, you might be rocked to sleep or rocked in your dreams. I'm still rocking!
Last post, I swear! (for a while :)
Will throw in some humor: One of the girls name was Paa Maa E Laa. One day I asked Paa Maa E Laa, what her name meant? She says Pamela. We laughed for a week about that :)
Goodness
Submitted by 3rock on
We still called her Paa Maa E Laa, it was just more beautiful filled with Love & Laughter. Pamela had changed.
Wikipedia civil disobedience and see what comes up.
Submitted by ElijahZWolf on
So I guess by your logic, the tactic of non-violent civil disobedience is a tactic of "annexing a minorities' struggle" since it was pioneered by Thoreau, a white man. I mean, he was being pretty disrespectful to the slaves when he went to jail to protest the poll tax. Slavery wasn't his problem, he should have just stayed home and taken your advice, "You want to help fix things for minorities? With all due respect, fuck you".
Nice try.
Submitted by cryptomnesiac on
1. I made no mention of tactics being annexed, either way.
2. Universal concepts like poverty (which is what poll taxes targeted, though historical economic struggles following emancipation compounded them for African Americans) are not what we're talking about. I've written about a specific issue, and the presumption to represent a group—sidestepping the involvement of representatives of that very group within the movement itself. And on a point that has everything to do with the identity of the group. If the IP affinity group wanted to bring it up, they're capable of doing so. They did not. Further, they'd bear an association made between the empty use of the term decolonization in reference to a land whose theft we continue to reap the benefits of (where to make good on the term would actually mean our emigration), and the separation from the British, preceding the very events which would lead to the total domination of this land—by people whose attitude toward the natives was no less contemptuous.
3. You're referring to an era where a minority was considered subhuman. If you believe that minorities still require representatives from the dominant and privileged majority to speak in their stead just to have any credibility, the implications aren't great for your argument.
A peripherally supportive role is one thing; taking the reins from a group capable of representing themselves is quite another. It would be as legit is my going off to independently formulate a grand scheme about OLA's position on women's rights, without their involvement. Shit, it'd be like thinking up a statement for OLA, and never floating it past the GA, or even attending a single OLA meeting or event. Because that's what it's like not to walk in someone's shoes, then impose what you think is best for them, on them.
Mike C.
Buffalo Beast - Twitter - Facebook
Still don't see it
Submitted by ElijahZWolf on
I agree with you on many points, but if we're going to have a discussion on this issue then we need to take a broader historical perspective. Colonization doesn't only refer to the persecution and exploitation of the Indigenous people of North America by Europeans, but also the Indigenous people of South America, Africa, Asia, and Australia. To claim that the IP affinity group of OLA has exclusive ownership over the term colonization is to deny centuries of struggle all over the world.
And Thoreau's protest of the poll tax (which took place before the emancipation) was done in part because he would not recognize a Government which had legalized slavery to be a legitimate Government. And because he would not recognize a Government that sought to invade (colonize) Mexico and perpetuate the the crime of slavery.
"The teachings of Thoreau came alive in our civil rights movement; indeed, they are more alive than ever before."
Thats from the autobiography of MLK. My point in bringing up Thoreau wasn't that he was a "representative". He was an individual who acted autonomously, and his actions inspired other actions. Which I think is the point of activism. Which is what we're doing at OLA. But then again he was a white man fighting on behalf of African American freedom.
I would be glad to discuss this more with you, but I don't feel like this is the proper forum. Maybe a discussion topic at the GA wouldn't be so bad?
And we currently live in an era where in many ways minorities and the poor on skid row are treated as subhumans. It's not as explicit as American slavery, but if we were living in a just society then I wouldn't be occupying. Just sayin'.
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